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Old 07-27-2009, 05:04 AM
 
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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The non elect will be enduring eternal punishment and torment..
Start using a literally translated Bible like Youngs, or Concordant, or Rotherhams, or Weymouths, or Wilsons, or Bullingers, or Clementsons, or Scarletts, instead of an interpretively translated Bible.

Matthew 25:46 should literally read "age-during corrective chastisement" (kolais aionion) not "everlasting punishment" like it does in interpretively translated Bibles.

While the elect are enjoying age-during life, the non-elect will experience age-during corrective chastisement.

BTW the Greek word aidios (not aionios) was used by Greek Jews as meaning eternal during the time of Jesus.
If Jesus had meant eternal He would have used aidios which was understood by Jesus' contemporaries as meaning eternal.

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Old 07-27-2009, 09:51 AM
 
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Start using a literally translated Bible like Youngs, or Concordant, or Rotherhams, or Weymouths, or Wilsons, or Bullingers, or Clementsons, or Scarletts, instead of an interpretively translated Bible.

Matthew 25:46 should literally read "age-during corrective chastisement" (kolais aionion) not "everlasting punishment" like it does in interpretively translated Bibles.

While the elect are enjoying age-during life, the non-elect will experience age-during corrective chastisement.

BTW the Greek word aidios (not aionios) was used by Greek Jews as meaning eternal during the time of Jesus.
If Jesus had meant eternal He would have used aidios which was understood by Jesus' contemporaries as meaning eternal.
Those who dont belong to Gods election of Grace, will be punished forever:

Matt 25:

41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

How long will it Last ?

46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
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Old 07-27-2009, 10:08 AM
 
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Default aionion NEVER means everlasting

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Those who dont belong to Gods election of Grace, will be punished forever:

Matt 25:

41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

How long will it Last ?

46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
No problem. Like I said before, I can repeat posts just as well as you can.

Start using a literally translated Bible like Youngs, or Concordant, or Rotherhams, or Weymouths, or Wilsons, or Bullingers, or Clementsons, or Scarletts, instead of an interpretively translated Bible.

Matthew 25:46 should literally read "age-during corrective chastisement" (kolais aionion) not "everlasting punishment" like it does in interpretively translated Bibles.

While the elect are enjoying age-during life, the non-elect will experience age-during corrective chastisement.

BTW the Greek word aidios (not aionios) was used by Greek Jews as meaning eternal during the time of Jesus.
If Jesus had meant eternal He would have used aidios which was understood by Jesus' contemporaries as meaning eternal.
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Old 07-27-2009, 12:07 PM
 
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aionion NEVER means everlasting

Believers do receive aionion life. But if this is all that God promised, there would be no assurance of life beyond the eons. However, at the end of the eons God abolishes death from His universe (I Cor. 15:26). This is accomplished by imparting the resurrection life of Christ to all who have not previously received it. Aionion life assures one of life up to that point. Beyond that, death is impossible. Furthermore believers are made immortal when the Lord returns (I Cor. 15:50-57). When one has been made immortal, death is impossible.

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Old 07-27-2009, 12:19 PM
 
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Doenst matter how much you try to change the Truth, it remains stedfast:

Those who dont belong to Gods election of Grace, will be punished forever:

Matt 25:

41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

How long will it Last ?

46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
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Old 07-27-2009, 12:22 PM
 
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Beloved, is your belief that little nonelect babies who die go to eternal fire/hell? Do you believe that God intentionally brought these little babies into the world to only to burn in hell for all of eternity seeing that they are the nonelect? God bless.
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Old 07-27-2009, 12:25 PM
 
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Doenst matter how much you try to change the Truth, it remains stedfast:

Those who dont belong to Gods election of Grace, will be punished forever:

Matt 25:

41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

How long will it Last ?

46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Yup we agree. The truth remains steadfast.

But to find the truth one must use a literally translated Bible like Youngs, or Concordant, or Rotherhams, or Weymouths, or Wilsons, or Bullingers, or Clementsons, or Scarletts, instead of an interpretively translated Bible.

Matthew 25:46 should literally read "age-during corrective chastisement" (kolais aionion) not "everlasting punishment" like it does in interpretively translated Bibles.

While the elect are enjoying age-during life, the non-elect will experience age-during corrective chastisement.

BTW the Greek word aidios (not aionios) was used by Greek Jews as meaning eternal during the time of Jesus.
If Jesus had meant eternal He would have used aidios which was understood by Jesus' contemporaries as meaning eternal.
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Old 07-27-2009, 12:27 PM
 
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you can put forth your best efforts, but Gods word endures forever:

Doenst matter how much you try to change the Truth, it remains stedfast:

Those who dont belong to Gods election of Grace, will be punished forever:

Matt 25:

41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

How long will it Last ?

46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
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Old 07-27-2009, 12:32 PM
 
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Beloved, is your belief that little nonelect babies who die go to eternal fire/hell? Do you believe that God intentionally brings these little babies into the world to only to burn in hell for all of eternity seeing that they are the nonelect? God bless.
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Old 07-27-2009, 12:37 PM
 
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Default God's Word concerns the time of the eons

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you can put forth your best efforts, but Gods word endures forever:

Doenst matter how much you try to change the Truth, it remains stedfast:

Those who dont belong to Gods election of Grace, will be punished forever:

Matt 25:

41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

How long will it Last ?

46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
God's Word concerns the time of the eons only. It is His eonian word.
It is not a revelation of what happens after the eons end when God becomes All in all.

And the eons all do end, both individually, and collectively.
Literal versus the KJV
Heb. 9:26 the end of the eons / the end of the world
1 Cor. 10:11 the ends of the eons / the ends of the world
Matt. 24:3 the end of the eon / the end of the world

To find the truth one must use a literally translated Bible like Youngs, or Concordant, or Rotherhams, or Weymouths, or Wilsons, or Bullingers, or Clementsons, or Scarletts, instead of an interpretively translated Bible.

Matthew 25:46 should literally read "age-during corrective chastisement" (kolais aionion) not "everlasting punishment" like it does in interpretively translated Bibles.

While the elect are enjoying age-during life, the non-elect will experience age-during corrective chastisement.

BTW the Greek word aidios (not aionios) was used by Greek Jews as meaning eternal during the time of Jesus.
If Jesus had meant eternal He would have used aidios which was understood by Jesus' contemporaries as meaning eternal.

Shana asked what you think happens to nonelect babies. I heard that John Calvin believed that nonelect infants "a span long" will be in hell. Is that what you believe too?

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