What About Hell? (paradise, Gospel, punishment, churches)

[Neil Turan]

E.I.T.A.I.A.S.

To be simple, after all, only two things are important:
1. Heaven
2. Hell

Three sort of spirits will enter them

1. God
2. Angels
3. Men

For God it is simple, he is always in Heaven, but why? You know, God doesn´t have to do any good work, but yet he is always in heaven, why is this?

Further, God created the Angels in Heaven, but some rebelled against him, they are now know as demons with their faither the Devil/Satan. Why didnt God forgive them, as he had forgiven Mankind?

Further, God also created mankind in Paradise, but we sinned against God, but why must all men/or many men Go to hell, isnt that horrible, is God still just, if he punishes us all or many of us in Hell, a terriyfing idea, dont you think, is horrible, what do you think, is God Holy and Good if he punishes many men in hell, even small children! Oh horrible fact

[Nero777]

Where in the world are you getting the idea that He would punish small children? God isn't going to punish the youth of our world simply because they are too young to understand God and determine whether or not to devote their lives to Him. They weren't ever given the oppurtunity to hear and understand the Gospel and it would be rather difficult to love and know a God who would punish those who were unable to understand the Word and Him.
Yes, God remains just because He has to act as the universal judge for the evils of our world; He has to punish evil because it violates all that He had willed for us, eternal life, eternal love, and a relationship with Him that can't be tainted. To not take action against those who are evil is to not care about those who are working for Him and are working to love Him.

[ShanaBrown]

E.I.T.A.I.A.S.

To be simple, after all, only two things are important:
1. Heaven
2. Hell

Three sort of spirits will enter them

1. God
2. Angels
3. Men

For God it is simple, he is always in Heaven, but why? You know, God doesn´t have to do any good work, but yet he is always in heaven, why is this?

Further, God created the Angels in Heaven, but some rebelled against him, they are now know as demons with their faither the Devil/Satan. Why didnt God forgive them, as he had forgiven Mankind?

Further, God also created mankind in Paradise, but we sinned against God, but why must all men/or many men Go to hell, isnt that horrible, is God still just, if he punishes us all or many of us in Hell, a terriyfing idea, dont you think, is horrible, what do you think, is God Holy and Good if he punishes many men in hell, even small children! Oh horrible fact

Some Christians that hell/the experience of hell has a higher purpose and that eventually all will be reconciled to God. I believe that many scriptures teach this. God bless.

[Neutral]

Originally Posted by Neil Turan

E.I.T.A.I.A.S.

Why didnt God forgive them, as he had forgiven Mankind?

Humans and angels are different beings.

If you've seen the glory of God with your own eyes, walked with God, been physically in his presence, been there since the beginning of time and have all kinds of knowledge revealed to you and you STILL choose to rebel with God and Jesus right in your face...what sense would it make to forgive? You made your choice, and even if you were forgiven you probably wouldn't accept it.

That's different than the human experience. Besides God has His reasons for everything and some of them we are not to question. What do we know in comparison to Him?

[ShanaBrown]

Further, God created the Angels in Heaven, but some rebelled against him, they are now know as demons with their faither the Devil/Satan. Why didnt God forgive them, as he had forgiven Mankind?

Hi, I have asked some in the past, but no one has really shared their thoughts/beliefs/opinions on what Paul is teaching in Colossians 1:20. Who in the heavens might need to be reconciled to God? Just asking. God bless.

[little elmer]

Originally Posted by ShanaBrown

Some Christians that hell/the experience of hell has a higher purpose and that eventually all will be reconciled to God. I believe that many scriptures teach this. God bless.

I too believe that God doesn't do anything that's not for "the most good, for the most people, for the longest time" as it's been said.

Reference these scriptures:

Hear the law respecting, bondmen, (Deut. xv. 12-15.) and strangers, (Exod. xxii. 21; Lev. xix. 33,34.) and debtors, (Deut. xv. 1,2,9.) and widows and orphans, (Exod. xxii. 22; Deut. xxiv. 17.) and the punishment of the wicked, which may not exceed forty stripes, "lest if it exceed, then thy brother should seem vile unto thee;” (Deut. xxv. 2,3.) yea even the law respecting "asses fallen into a pit:" (Exod. xxi. 33,34; and xxiii 4, 5.).
Hear the prophets exhorting to "break every yoke," to "let the oppressed go free," and to "undo the heavy burdens:" (Isa. lviii. 6.).
Hear the still clearer witness of the gospel, "not to let the sun go down upon our wrath," (Eph. iv. 26.) to "forgive not until seven times, but until seventy times seven," (S. Matt. xviii. 22.) "not to be overcome of evil, but to overcome evil with good:" (Rom. xii. 21.) to "walk in love as Christ has loved us," and to “be imitators of God as dear children:" (Eph. v. 1,2.).
See the judgment of those who neglect the poor, and the naked, and the hungry, and the stranger, and the prisoner; (S. Matt. xxv. 41-43)--and then say, Shall God do that which He abhors?
Shall He command that bondmen and debtors be freed, and yet Himself keep those who are in worse bondage and under a greater debt in endless imprisonment? Shall He bid us care for widows and orphans, and Himself forget this widowed nature, which has lost its Head and Lord, and those poor orphan souls which cannot cry, Abba, Father? Shall He limit punishment to forty strips, "lest thy brother seem vile," and Himself inflict more upon those who though fallen still are His children?
Is not Christ the faithful Israelite, who fulfills the law; and shall He break it in any one of these particulars? Shall He say, "Forgive till seventy times seven," and Himself not forgive except in this short life? Shall He command us to "overcome evil with good," and Himself, the Almighty, be overcome of evil? Shall He judge those who leave the captives unvisited, and Himself leave captives in a worse prison for ever unvisited? Does He not again and again appeal to our own natural feelings of mercy, as witnessing "how much more" we may expect a larger mercy from our "Father which is in heaven"? (St. Matt. vii. 6-11.)

[HotinAZ]

Originally Posted by ShanaBrown

Hi, I have asked some in the past, but no one has really shared their thoughts/beliefs/opinions on what Paul is teaching in Colossians 1:20. Who in the heavens might need to be reconciled to God? Just asking. God bless.

Well, let us look at these verses in context. Let us break these down in a study of Paul's letter, sentence by sentence. And we shall use his other letters and other scripture to interpret this. Our opinions don't really matter.

He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything. For it was the {Father's} good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him, and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, {I say,} whether things on earth or things in heaven. And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, {engaged} in evil deeds, yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach--if indeed you continue in the faith firmly established and steadfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel that you have heard, which was proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, was made a minister.

He is also head of the body, the church

Eph 5:23
For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything.

Rev 1:4 John to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace, from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne, and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood--and He has made us a kingdom, priests to His God and Father--to Him the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen.

For it was the {Father's} good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him,

Mat 3:16 After being baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove lighting on Him, and behold, a voice out of the heavens said, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased."

and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself

Eph 2:14 For He Himself is our peace, who made both one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall, by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, the Law of commandments in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, establishing peace, and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the enmity.

We could actually go to Gen 3 for an in depth study into this enmity.

having made peace through the blood of His cross

Rom 5:9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath {of God} through Him. For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

Notice the difference between reconciled, and saved?

through Him, whether things on earth or things in heaven.

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.

Act 7:49 'HEAVEN IS MY THRONE, AND EARTH IS THE FOOTSTOOL OF MY FEET; WHAT KIND OF HOUSE WILL YOU BUILD FOR ME?' says the Lord, 'OR WHAT PLACE IS THERE FOR MY REPOSE?

Time for work, but continue if you would like further discussion. Or use those verses already done. I think this study is fascinating as well, as like I said in a post a while back, I used to be a Universalist.

[Fundamentalist]

mistake post

[Birdy_56]

Originally Posted by Reformed Liberal

It's called the "adamic" nature. Since we are of the same blood with Adam, his sinful nature passed on to us. we are imperfect because of sin thus we are born with sin separating us from God.

Csn you disclose to us how many are "made sinners" and how many are "made righteous?"

[Fundamentalist]

Further, God created the Angels in Heaven, but some rebelled against him, they are now know as demons with their faither the Devil/Satan. Why didnt God forgive them, as he had forgiven Mankind?

The angels had their chance furthermore they saw everything and yet they chose to rebel. The fallen angels have no one but themselves to blame.

Further, God also created mankind in Paradise, but we sinned against God, but why must all men/or many men Go to hell, isnt that horrible.

It's called the "adamic" nature. Since we are of the same blood with Adam, his sinful nature passed on to us. we are imperfect because of sin thus we are born with sin separating us from God. The bible says, "we are children of wrath"

is God still just, if he punishes us all or many of us in Hell, a terriyfing idea, dont you think, is horrible, what do you think , is God Holy and Good if he punishes many men in hell, even small children! Oh horrible fact

Of course He is just, that is His nature and because he is just He MUST punish sin because God HATES sin, he hates it and He sees ALL sin as exceedingly sinful. (lieing, cheating, stealing)

Would you think a judge would be just if he let a rapist to go free? how about a murderer to go free? No. of course not. Then how can you expect THE Just judge of them all to let sin go unpunished? You can't and if God did, then He isn't what he claims to be, which is God.

People go to hell because they broke His laws "The Ten Commandments" His standard of righteousness He judges us on, since we can't live up to it, He shows His mercy by sending His Son, Jesus Christ to die for us. God doesn't send us to hell. We send ourselves to hell by rejecting His gift and invitation.

If you are so worried about people going to hell then you should spend less time on here and go into the world, your friends, you're family etc.... and give them the good news and tell them about the impending doom to come.