Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
I am a Christian, though my vote is not primarily based upon a potential candidates claims of faith. I look at the issues, I look at their position on the issues at hand, and I weigh my decision upon what I feel is best for this country as a whole. Unfortunately in this years election, as historical as it is, I am still undecided because to be quite honest, I don't like either party and do not feel either is what this country needs. Guess I'll have to keep listening to the debates, listening to their speeches, their interviews, reading their records and most of all, continue praying for direction because in my flesh, it's neither of the two.
My thoughts:
I agree with mari....neither the Dem nor Rep candidate is the best answer to this country's problems....what they would bring is more of the same Rep dogma, or more of the same Dem dogma. America has voted Dem or Rep for something like 100+ years. Just look what that kind of thinking has brought this country to. We are on a precipace of financial destruction, nearly the whole world hates us, we are stuck in a war nobody wants, and there are unprecidented levels of extremely severe problems at home. We don't need "change". What we need is a REAL change...
I'm thinking if I continue to vote for the "lesser of two evils" (Dem/Rep), then I continue to be a supportive part of the ongoing problem. It would mean I approve of the situation in Washington. But, if I break with that endless cycle, and vote independent, then at least I'm not part of the problem...I would be joining with the others who are fed up with the situation, and the two-party fiasco we are stuck in.
If you had a contractor coming to your home for the last several years to "fix" stuff, and each time he did a terrible job, then why would you keep on hiring him? You wouldn't. You'd fire them. Then you'd go and find somebody else who could do the job right.
You, the citizen voters of America, are now in a position to hire someone. Don't hire the SAME Dem/Rep contractors AGAIN! Neither has done us right. The names have changed, but the parties remain the same. Are you willing to accept NO CHANGE/SAMO-SAMO...?...
My thoughts:
I agree with mari....neither the Dem nor Rep candidate is the best answer to this country's problems....what they would bring is more of the same Rep dogma, or more of the same Dem dogma. America has voted Dem or Rep for something like 100+ years. Just look what that kind of thinking has brought this country to. We are on a precipace of financial destruction, nearly the whole world hates us, we are stuck in a war nobody wants, and there are unprecidented levels of extremely severe problems at home. We don't need "change". What we need is a REAL change...
I'm thinking if I continue to vote for the "lesser of two evils" (Dem/Rep), then I continue to be a supportive part of the ongoing problem. It would mean I approve of the situation in Washington. But, if I break with that endless cycle, and vote independent, then at least I'm not part of the problem...I would be joining with the others who are fed up with the situation, and the two-party fiasco we are stuck in.
If you had a contractor coming to your home for the last several years to "fix" stuff, and each time he did a terrible job, then why would you keep on hiring him? You wouldn't. You'd fire them. Then you'd go and find somebody else who could do the job right.
You, the citizen voters of America, are now in a position to hire someone. Don't hire the SAME Dem/Rep contractors AGAIN! Neither has done us right. The names have changed, but the parties remain the same. Are you willing to accept NO CHANGE/SAMO-SAMO...?...
"Fire them!"
Bud
The problem is this nation has a very difficult time coming together in situations like this. People unfortunately do vote along party lines or based on personal agenda rather than looking at this country as a whole and thinking what is best for everyone, not just what fits my agenda or who is in my party.
Therefore, what happens is that without the unity of the people, every vote placed on an independent or write in candidate results in a vote lost and one of the other two candidates being closer to winning. In this sense, unfortunately, I'm still not completely swayed from the concept of voting for yes, sadly enough, the lessor of two evils.
When this nation, as a whole, finally sets aside it's devisive party lines and stops thinking democrat or republican and starts thinking purely American, thats when we may actually begin to see some real change occur. The bible says that a house devided will fall. Our government is devided with their own personal agenda's, and we the people also stand devided. Continuing on this course has brought us to where we are and we continue to fall unless we start uniting for one common cause. The betterment of this country and it's citizens. Again, sadly, it is not something that I see happening anytime soon.
The closest this nation has come to being of one mind and one accord, of being united to a level that I have not really seen in my lifetime, was after 9/11. However, it was too short lived, in my opinion.
On the topic of this thread, I have moral and spiritual views that I feel more closely line up with a conservative political viewpoint, therefore I have voted a Republican ticket fairly consistently over my lifetime.
However, I don't believe one party is God's party and while I might like a particular candidate personally over another, I tend to vote for the overall party platform in national elections.
I am first and foremost a Christian; Christ and his kingdom hold my allegiance before I consider my allegiance to my country. I am closer akin to a believer in China or Uganda than I am my neighbor who doesn't follow Jesus.
All this to say that my faith won't be shaken if the person I vote for doesn't make it to office. I firmly hold to the scriptural passage "and the government shall be upon his shoulder." God in his infinite wisdom is going to see his kingdom come and his will be done no matter who is president of the US.
I believe that God did establish this country to be a light to the nations. The gospel of Jesus Christ has flourished in this country and God has used the blessings and freedoms of this country to help the Church in America bless and grow the Church around the world. I believe that a nation that honors God is blessed by God. Has America been steadfast in every arena to be considered God's favorite? By all means no, but much has been done to honor God in this country and I have no doubt that it is the primary reason we are a blessed nation.
So, politics and belief will entertwine in a nation like this. I know I will have those that say it shouldn't, but the very nature and history of our nation says that it will.
NCN...Have you forgotten that hundreds of thousands of innocent women and children are also killed in war? Regarding your country's war in Iraq, how was Iraq threatening the US? If you want more killed then vote for McCain and you'll have at least four more years of it.
At first I was voting for neither, then third party, then McCain, now I'm undecided. I can't vote for Obama because of his abortion stance, but I feel just as strongly about the GOP, because they started a war in which so many innocent people were displaced or killed. I accept that the government has the right to "wield the sword" but as a christian, I can't reconcile following Jesus with killing people. I'm not trying to be self righteous. I just can't do it.
And what amazes me is that evangelicals are all for the GOP because they're pro life. That's their only moral issue. How many times do I have to look the other way at the other stuff the Republicans do because they're "Pro-life" And at the end of the day, does it really matter whether you vote for a christian for president? 99% of christian politicians cease to be christians (in practice) once they get there anyway.
Here's an idea. Vote for Jesus! He cares about the poor, is pro life, (consistently), won't compromise his positions and he can't be corrupted As a citizen of heaven, he's who I'd want
I am anti-abortion(very pro-life) and Obama is pro-abortion and as a believer I could not vote for someone who stands against what I feel the Bible says. God creates that life from conception and is precious. It has never made sense to me that you can hit a car with a pregnant women and be charged for two deaths and yet that women can kill that baby and that's all right....so strange
Soooo... you'd rather we go into the second Great Depression and possibly end up with a totally unqualified woman as president who would be so in over her head that you can't even imagine the turmoil this country would be in and be played by the Republican Party for your vote rather than vote for a man who actually has your best interest at heart?
Soooo... you'd rather we go into the second Great Depression and possibly end up with a totally unqualified woman as president who would be so in over her head that you can't even imagine the turmoil this country would be in and be played by the Republican Party for your vote rather than vote for a man who actually has your best interest at heart?
Sad, very sad.
And you'd rather have me vote for a totally unqualified man who would send us on a steady march toward socialism with a messiah complex as big as Iowa that would take office in January?
Voting... I can't believe some of you still think your vote makes a difference. The illuminati run the show. Their candidate will win. Little do they know that they are subject to a greater plan than their own.
If I were to vote, I'd write in Ron Paul. Maybe Chuck Baldwin since that's who he endorsed. But like I said, it doesn't matter. Your freedoms will be eroded. Government rape and pillage will continue.
Originally Posted by: TexianPatriot
Voting... I can't believe some of you still think your vote makes a difference. The illuminati run the show. Their candidate will win. Little do they know that they are subject to a greater plan than their own.
Well, voting does make a bit of difference, just not nearly as much as politicos think. Does anyone REALLY think they'll implement ALL of their policies?
Quote:
Originally Posted by: TexianPatriot
If I were to vote, I'd write in Ron Paul. Maybe Chuck Baldwin since that's who he endorsed. But like I said, it doesn't matter. Your freedoms will be eroded. Government rape and pillage will continue.
Soooo....should we find another country then, Texian? Seems like you've given up on the U.S. altogether.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
As a citizen of heaven, he's who I'd want
