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Old 10-10-2008, 05:33 PM
 
Location: Sheffield, England
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As there are adulterers, abusers, alcoholics, addicts, peodofiles, porn & drug addicts, to name a few. These are all the types that Jesus hung with and it is our duty to be "Christlike" to them, not judge them. I love our church! No one would ever be turned away. Remember, "he who is w/o sin, cast the first stone."
I'm sorry but to put homosexuals into the same category as "adulterers, abusers, alcoholics, addicts, peodofiles, porn & drug addicts" is absurd. Do adulterers hurt other people? Yep. Abusers? Yes. Alcoholics? Check? Addicts? Check. Pedophiles? Yes? Porn addicts? Yes (they fund the industry). Do homosexuals? No. To put them in the same category as the aforementioned is downright insulting.
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Old 10-10-2008, 05:47 PM
 
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Yes I am into homosexuality bashing, like I am into lyingbashing, murderbashing, fornicatingbashing, stealingbashing.

(Sorry getting off topic. out of respect to the OP- I am sorry)
lying is in transgression of the 10 commandments, murder = same, stealing = same, adultery = same. Jesus says let those who are without sin cast the 1st stone.

These are sin because you are not loving God or your neighbour you are in fact hurting another by those actions.
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Old 10-10-2008, 05:48 PM
 
Location: NW Arkansas
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Sorry, but you contradict Jesus Matt 5:18 For verily I say unto you till heaven and earth pass one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law till all be fulfilled.

"till all be fulfilled" . It was all fulfilled when Jesus died on the cross. Period !

Last edited by Hoosier; 10-10-2008 at 08:41 PM.. Reason: fixing quote marks
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Old 10-10-2008, 06:27 PM
 
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Marian,

When you look at Matt 5:17 and 18 there are 2 different words used for the fulfill Jesus came to fulfill 4137

G4137
πληρόω
plēroō
play-ro'-o
From G4134; to make replete, that is, (literally) to cram (a net), level up (a hollow), or (figuratively) to furnish (or imbue, diffuse, influence), satisfy, execute (an office), finish (a period or task), verify (or coincide with a prediction), etc.: - accomplish, X after, (be) complete, end, expire, fill (up), fulfil, (be, make) full (come), fully preach, perfect, supply.

and not on jot or tittle will pass from the law until all be fulfilled G1096
γίνομαι
ginomai
ghin'-om-ahee
A prolonged and middle form of a primary verb; to cause to be (“gen” -erate), that is, (reflexively) to become (come into being), used with great latitude (literally, figuratively, intensively, etc.): - arise be assembled, be (come, -fall, -have self), be brought (to pass), (be) come (to pass), continue, be divided, be done, draw, be ended, fall, be finished, follow, be found, be fulfilled, + God forbid, grow, happen, have, be kept, be made, be married, be ordained to be, partake, pass, be performed, be published, require, seem, be showed, X soon as it was, sound, be taken, be turned, use, wax, will, would, be wrought.

While we are in this physical body we have not been completed, all has not come into being.

Matt 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law or the prophets I am not come to destroy but to fulfil (satisfy, execute, verify, complete)

Matt 5:18 For verily I say unto you Till __ heaven and earth pass one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law till __ all be fulfilled (cause to be, generate, come to pass, arise be assembled)
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Old 10-10-2008, 07:09 PM
 
Location: Purgatory
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It's called sin and some of those I put there I am guilty as well so I guess I am being insensitive to me as well. I am sorry if you saw that remark as insensitive but I don't like to be called a gay basher.

We are getting off topic
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
Or...another one my boss was fond of saying (in my completely BS interview before he hired me on as a Paramedic from my EMT position):
Remove the plank from your own eye before you attempt to remove the splinter from someone elses.
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Old 10-10-2008, 08:16 PM
 
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Alright gang, let's reel it back in, OK?

The OP:

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What would YOU do? How would the people you know at your church react? Imagine what would happen to the homosexual at your church?

Would you see a lot of the cold shoulder and evil eye? Would people pretend the person was non-existent? Would people want to lecture and pray away the gayness? Spread malicious gossip? Do people take Jesus's word and stone the homosexual for his sins?

Or would they be smiled at and welcomed? Treated like any other?


Discuss amongst yourselves....
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Old 10-10-2008, 08:39 PM
 
Location: Murfreesboro, TN
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So you can beat your wife during sex and do some really strange stuff during sex (use your imagination...I'm not going to go into any detail) and it wouldn't be sexual perversion or imorality, but you can kill your wife during sex and it isn't murder? WOW! BTW, it was deemed as murder.
It's not murder if if death occured during a consentual act.
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Old 10-10-2008, 08:48 PM
 
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It's not murder if if death occured during a consentual act.
Um...I don't think that argument is good enough to dodge a murder charge if your wife is killed during sex.

Oh - and to remain on topic: One of the youth pastors in my church turned out to be gay and "left" (was thrown out of) the church. According to my parents the reason was that the man had destroyed the lives of his wife and children by coming out - not just that he was gay. But I was angry over it. I could tell that the guy was a good person and I didn't like seeing him get demonized for being true to himself.
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Old 10-10-2008, 09:30 PM
 
Location: Twin Cities
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I just stepped into the thread, and read it in its entirety. Many valid posts and interesting mindsets.

Artsyguy:
The OP is well thought out and as a former homosexual definitely one that I've asked before. My only concern is that the rest of your posts in this thread seem a bit snarky and baiting. You've asked a wonderful question but you come across like you've put walls up now. How come? Am I reading that correct?

Denverian:
You sound like an amazing guy who obviously loves his family very much. Not that you need my praise, but you seem like an awesome and loving dad. Sounds like you also have a great church that accepts and loves you and your family very much.

Angel and the Dolphin:
You're absolutely right that spiteful comments do nothing for "the cause". It's not up to me or anyone else to change you, Denverian, Artsyguy or anyone else. You've probably heard this before, but as you may know, it's up to you and God. Only God can change a person. God can do anything, but it's something you have to want to do. I'm not gonna sit here and judge you or anyone else. I've read so many of your posts throughout the past months and truly respect you.


To answer the OP, I do believe my church would welcome a homosexual. The people are very warm and loving there! And don't tell anyone, but we're Baptists too!

As another poster said, the internal question would be why has this person chosen to visit our church knowing that we are an evangelical "fundie" right-winged, Jesus lovin' Minnesota church that loves any reason to bring a hot dish to church. Would the person be required to change? It's really between the person and God. But knowing that we are that right-winged, fundie, evangelical, Jesus lovin' church, I think the person might want to change, or he / she may have chosen to go to any other church, or even the MCC church in south Minneapolis. We'd love that person just like anyone else in the church.
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Old 10-10-2008, 09:49 PM
 
Location: Murfreesboro, TN
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Um...I don't think that argument is good enough to dodge a murder charge if your wife is killed during sex.

Oh - and to remain on topic: One of the youth pastors in my church turned out to be gay and "left" (was thrown out of) the church. According to my parents the reason was that the man had destroyed the lives of his wife and children by coming out - not just that he was gay. But I was angry over it. I could tell that the guy was a good person and I didn't like seeing him get demonized for being true to himself.

But how can anything be murder if it happened during a consensual act? That I don't understand. Now if someone forced someone to do something and death occurs, then sure, it is murder.
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