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Old 10-09-2008, 09:47 AM
 
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RL, those words I typed were out of my bible. I didn't write them. I just shared them You do what you like with them.
I know they were but I can find many verses that will support my view. We are not set our affections on high, we are not to equally yoked.......the primary duty as a Christian is to spread the gospel and that is love.
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Old 10-09-2008, 09:48 AM
 
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Who'd you ask?

Yourself or his family?
I ask myself. I prayed to God that he found Jesus before he died, I never asked, if he was fed or had clothes on his back
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Old 10-09-2008, 09:49 AM
 
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So if you love your neighbour by giving them food to eat, clothes to wear. Shoot! How about giving them a brand new car without ever giving them the gospel and they die in their sins and go to hell.

Just how loving do you think you were?
By loving our neighbor as Christ has commanded us, feeding and clothing them is providing for their needs not their wants. I may want a new car but I don't need one. By feeding and clothing, you are being Christlike and that in itself may bring your lost friend to Jesus.

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McCain survived a POW camp for years. I don't think anyone who is not a Christian could have done that. He is not ashamed of his faith. His values of having each person be responsible for themselves goes along with Christian values. We don't need our country to take care of us. God will take care of us even if there is no country. Only a very confused Christian is going to be for a "WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE." Confusion comes from the devil.

Parents have been given the right and responsibility to take care of their own children and no true Christian will turn that over to the government like Obama seems to want it to be. The government should not be taking any rights away from those parents, but our government does it all the time. I could say more, but this should explain the basic differences.

Throughout history God has taken those that have the least talent and turned them into leaders for His own glory. So in my opinion the most qualified is the one that is on the same side as God. We should be more concerned that we are on God's side than that He is on our side. Look at the Democratic platform and the answer is obvious.
Oh, please! I am not confused! The government is taking away rights to women by not giving us a choice over our own body. I am not for abortion! I just feel there may be medical complications that may cause a women to want to have that choice.
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Old 10-09-2008, 09:52 AM
 
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Dumb question here..What makes people think that because a candidate is prolife that he is going to walk into that oval office as president and put an end to abortion???If not mistaken, that was the mindset for electing Mr. Bush..

A couple more dumb questions..Is the abortion issue the first and only thing at stake here? How does that effect the state of the economy? The loss of so much money in my childrens Retirement Plans? The capturing of Bin Laden, or the $400,000 luxurious spa vacations for AIG people in celebration of the big bucks the government is giving them from OUR money?
That is not the issue, and nobody thinks that. Christians shouldn't be pro-choice PERIOD nor support anyone who is.

YES! the abortion is the most important reason for a Christian, the economy is the devil's system, we are not to be consumed by it.

How do you know our economy is not God's judgment for abortion?

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Old 10-09-2008, 09:53 AM
 
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By loving our neighbor as Christ has commanded us, feeding and clothing them is providing for their needs not their wants. I may want a new car but I don't need one. By feeding and clothing, you are being Christlike and that in itself may bring your lost friend to Jesus.
and how do you do that without witnessing to him?
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Old 10-09-2008, 10:06 AM
 
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Before we get into a bible quote off and who is a better Christian (which is where I fear this thread is headed).. maybe a better route is to list the issues in rank order that are your number one priority.

I listed some in the OP. List any you want.. You have Veterans Affairs, Entitlements overall, Healthcare, Economy, Abortion and many others.

Whats most important to you from a Christian perspective when you pull the lever.

Non Christians feel free to post what you think is the most important to Christians (just please do it in a nice way and Christians if you see something that ticks you off just try to respond in a nice way).

What drives the pull of the lever? What are you giving up to vote for a Candidate? Surely you don't agree with everything the Candidate stands for.

For instance mine might be:

1. Foriegn Policy
2. Energy
3. Healthcare Reform
4. Education
5.. etc etc..

just a thought..

back to semi-lurking mode.
That's tough.....I don't know if I can rank them....

When I start thinking about my vote, I try and look at the big picture....there's a lot at play in my decision making process.

Can I trust the candidate?

Do I know them?

What's their record?

What's their history?

I mean, in the end, the president steers a lot of legislation but he passes very, very little on his own. So the character of this 'Captain' is of utmost importance to me. Certainly moral issues do come into play in my decision making process (abortion, marriage, ethics, faith), but they don't necessarily mandate my vote. For instance, both McCain and Obama claim to be Christian, so that's a wash. Now, which one 'acts' Christian, because I don't know for sure who is and isn't a Christian.

Certainly the economy is a big, big issue this year. I'm in the Real Estate industry and we're taking this thing squarely on the chin. Frankly, it's a matter of 'which candidate scares me less' on ALL the issues....and, hands down, it's McCain. There was some little thing ABC had on their website that you read a quote from each candidate and answered the question and at the end it told you who you lined up with. I didn't line up with McCain on every issue but, as I expected, I did end up more for McCain than Obama.

I'll see if I can find and post it. It was interesting and I wondered if I would come out like I expected.
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Old 10-09-2008, 10:10 AM
 
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Old 10-09-2008, 10:11 AM
 
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Before we get into a bible quote off and who is a better Christian (which is where I fear this thread is headed).. maybe a better route is to list the issues in rank order that are your number one priority.
You fear as a Christian? THAT is the extremely sad part. A Christian who doesn't think the bible will answer or will hinder a Christian's perspective.

and has non-believers to join in. Oh what has happened to the Church?
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Old 10-09-2008, 10:25 AM
 
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For this Christian it's a question of honesty, integrity and judgement....three things that IMO Obama does not possess. You mentioned Ayers in your post BT. He is just one in an incredibly long line of "questionable" characters that Obama has associated himself with over the years. If it were just one or two people, I might be inclined to believe it was just coincidental but it's become a pattern. It seems to go something like this:


"Obama has a friend or associate that is questionable.

Video or articles surface of Obama thanking them, supporting them, writing a blurb for their book, organizing events for them, campaigning for them, campaigning with them, playing poker with them, serving on boards with them, buying homes with them, dining with them, praising them, using them to prove his christian faith, or hiring them.

Obama then denies their tight relationship - brushes the association off as *a guy in the ‘hood*, claims they are someone who doesn’t advise him, minimizes the actual number of times he attended church, says he can’t vet his vetters, or flat out lies."

it isn’t coincidence…there is a pattern : NO QUARTER

Read the list of friends and associates of Obama's in the link. Yes, the link is from a conservative blog, but the information is there for you to do your own research on these people, if you are so inclined. Look up Raila Odinga and his association with Obama. Scary stuff if you ask me.

Bottom line for me, Obama has knowingly associated himself with criminals, terrorists, communists, you name it, for many years in order to further his career and get where he is today. IMO he cannot be trusted as president.
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Old 10-09-2008, 10:35 AM
 
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As a Christian I only know that the ways of God are beyond my understanding. He has a plan that is perfect and no human being will change that. My vote is meaningless in the grand scheme of His plan, I pray and then vote my conscious. It doesn't matter what anyone thinks of my vote because there is only one judge and that's Christ. God alone knows my heart and I will continue to believe that if I seek His will, even when I'm misguided He will bring me back if I ask Him to.

I hate to see strife in the church or among believers but it has been this way since the beginning. Even Paul and Peter didn't see eye to eye on things. Blessings to all no matter who you choose to vote for or what you political beliefs are. Times are going to hard for all of us and we can only persevere to the end.
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