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Old 10-10-2008, 02:05 PM
 
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“Catholic Christianity recognizes and venerates the Blessed Virgin Mary, the Immaculate Mother of God, as the exemplar of what redeemed humanity will one day be: the forerunner, the quintessential Christian and symbol of the Church itself, our Spiritual Mother and Queen of Heaven, who was spared by God’s grace the curse of death and immediately received her glorious resurrected body after her earthly sojourn had come to an end. And that’s why we and others have fulfilled the prophecy that Mary gave concerning herself."

.…..from now on, all generations will call me blessed (Luke 1:48b)

And why is she blessed?

For the Mighty One has done great things for me, and Holy is His name. (Luke 1:49)

Mary is always glorifying God the Father and Jesus, never herself, for this is her purpose and calling. All of the Marian doctrines are Christocentric. They were promulgated in the first place so that Jesus Christ would be glorified, not Mary. And this is why Catholics have venerated her above all creatures and why any Christian can indeed “relate to” and “identify with” her, because she glorifies and imitates God and that is what all serious Christians want to do (and are commanded to do) too.”

“This was God’s marvelous plan—to involve a creature and a woman at every step of the way, so as to achieve a certain –“balance”—if I may properly speak in such a way. Eve brought down the human race, acting with Adam; Mary helped to raise it, acting in concert with Jesus Christ, her Son, the second Adam (as Paul describes Him). If Satan could cause the fall of the human race through the frailty of Woman and Man, why is it not plausible that God could in turn bring about the Redemption of the human race in part through the Immaculate Conception, the Second Eve, the Theotokos?
To me it makes eminent sense. It is contrary to neither Scripture nor to common sense nor reason."

“There is no necessary reason – a priori—for thinking that God couldn’t or wouldn’t have done such a thing…..Nothing in these concepts is contrary to Scripture or Tradition.”

“God clearly uses human beings as mediators. We pray for each other. Paul speaks of “having saved some” in the process of his ministry. Moses interceded and “atoned” for the Jews and God decided not to destroy them, etc.”
“….it is nothing so unbelievable or extraordinary that God chose to involve Mary in the Redemption of mankind and the distribution of graces. God can do whatever He wants!”

These quotes are taken from the book, More Biblical Evidence for Catholicism by Dave Armstrong.

 
Old 10-10-2008, 02:16 PM
 
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Default The Catholic Church is Biblical!

Those who do not believe that the RC Church is biblical should do some reading. I suggest Dave Armstrong book, A Biblical Defense of Catholicism.

Dave Armstrong was a protestant who set out to prove the Catholic Church was wrong in its beliefs and it was not biblical. His research led him to believe that he was in error and ended up becoming a Catholic himself.

This is an awesome book for everyone, even those of us who are "cradle" Catholics.
 
Old 10-10-2008, 02:20 PM
 
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Those who do not believe that the RC Church is biblical should do some reading. I suggest Dave Armstrong book, A Biblical Defense of Catholicism.

Dave Armstrong was a protestant who set out to prove the Catholic Church was wrong in its beliefs and it was not biblical. His research led him to believe that he was in error and ended up becoming a Catholic himself.

This is an awesome book for everyone, even those of us who are "cradle" Catholics.

I can also recommend several books where Catholics converted based on their study of the bible itself. Someone coverting to Catholicism or out of it does not prove or disprove it's integrity to the bible.
 
Old 10-10-2008, 02:27 PM
 
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Check your church history books....The Roman Catholic Church can and does trace its roots all the way back to St. Peter when Jesus said, "Thou art Peter and upon this Rock, I will build My Church." The Roman Catholic Church was indeed the first christian church established by Jesus Himself. Your argument that the Catholic Church was not around when the christian church was established does not hold any water.
 
Old 10-10-2008, 02:35 PM
 
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Check your church history books....The Roman Catholic Church can and does trace its roots all the way back to St. Peter when Jesus said, "Thou art Peter and upon this Rock, I will build My Church." The Roman Catholic Church was indeed the first christian church established by Jesus Himself. Your argument that the Catholic Church was not around when the christian church was established does not hold any water.
I have checked my history books. Jesus DID NOT establish the Catholic church. He established the Christian Congregation. The Christian Congregation was adverse to any connection between Church and State. They were 'no part of the world'. Peter agreed with Jesus. And Jesus was the Rock. Therefore, any teachings that are in contradiction to the teachings of Christ cannot be truth.

I was very intrigued by what the Catholic Encyclopedia itself has to say about the cloudy beginnings of the church and its doctrines.
 
Old 10-10-2008, 02:54 PM
 
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Is the Catholic Church the only true, superior Church?
No, I don't believe so. I believe that there is only one church which is made up of all true believers. They may exist in different congregations or they may not be in a denomination or congregation. We are all brothers and sisters in Christ, without one being superior to the other. God bless.
 
Old 10-10-2008, 03:14 PM
 
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(Luke 1:48)

46 And Mary said: "My soul exalts the Lord,
47And my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior.
48"For He has had regard for the humble state of His bondslave;For behold, from this time on all generations will count me blessed.
49"For the Mighty One has done great things for me;And holy is His name.


How did we go from that verse to the "worship" of Mary, not to mention how could Mary who was human just like us be born without sin since we are all born in sin, unless her mother was a virgin also and if her mother was a virgin where is that in scripture?
 
Old 10-10-2008, 03:19 PM
 
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You can find a different RCIA class, different church. One of the things I have learned is that each Catholic church is different. My parents brought us up strictly Catholic but brought us to a liberal Catholic Church. My dad was an RCIA teacher and would have never taught that any religion is inferior.

We all have our differences, we all have different beliefs. The Catholic Church has many contradictions, but I take them with a grain of salt. I have been brought up to believe in God, a God that is forgiving and loving. Like all churches, you must shop around for one that suits you best.
 
Old 10-10-2008, 03:21 PM
 
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I suppose a claim could also be made for Eastern Orthodoxy, but by all accounts, in RCIA we are taught that even though we should respect the views of our protestant brethren, they are of lesser status in terms of how to be faithful to Jesus. The teaching is that protestant Christians are inferior to Catholics. I myself do not like such a title, 'inferior', but I suppose it makes sense when you think about it. The Catholic Church is the Church as Jesus intended it to be, while the protestant religions have 'watered down' in a sense what it means to be Christian, and have even warped many of the views.
Hmmm...recovering Catholic here. I really don't want to bash Catholicism, but the arrogance of your thread deserves a rebuke.

Let's see. Is Catholicism superior? Let's examine the record:

1) Spectacular butchery of dissenters and heretics
2) Suppression of learning and science
3) Doctrine that either has flimsy scriptural support or is actually contradicted by scripture, including transubstantiation, celibate priests, the banning of women from the altar, and the trafficking of indulgences among many others
4) The toleration and protection of pederasts, leading to the debauching of innocents
5) The erection of grandiose churches filled with the works of the Renaissance masters, while the people of Europe starved
6) The ongoing involvement of the Papacy in the internal politics of Europe

And the list goes on. Superior? I don't really see how you can make the case.
 
Old 10-10-2008, 04:11 PM
 
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I have checked my history books. Jesus DID NOT establish the Catholic church. He established the Christian Congregation. The Christian Congregation was adverse to any connection between Church and State. They were 'no part of the world'. Peter agreed with Jesus. And Jesus was the Rock. Therefore, any teachings that are in contradiction to the teachings of Christ cannot be truth.

I was very intrigued by what the Catholic Encyclopedia itself has to say about the cloudy beginnings of the church and its doctrines.
Better check you dictionary...Jesus did start the Catholic Church.
Catholic:
1.broad or wide-ranging in tastes, interests, or the like; having sympathies with all; broad-minded; liberal. 2.universal in extent; involving all; of interest to all. 3.pertaining to the whole Christian body or church.
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