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Old 10-15-2008, 05:48 AM
 
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The reason I wrote this, since no-one asked , was that we in the flesh are married anyways to each other. We all come from Adam, so we are one with him in the flesh. Think about it. God only made 2 men. The rest come from these 2 men. One is a carnal man,Adam, whence we all come from. The other is the Spirit, Jesus the Word, which we ALL belong. We cannot be married in heaven, as we are One with Jesus, hence the analogies of the "Body of Christ", and the "Bride of Christ". Both of these are a prelude of what is to come, but not all will do so. This is why Jesus was stating, in a not literal sense:

Mat 5:29
"If your right eye makes you stumble, tear it out and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. "If your right hand makes you stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to go into hell.


If you read the Spiritual side of the warnings in Matthew 5, you will see that Jesus is actually talking about severing that from His Spiritual body, not our carnal one. Adam, and those prior to Jesus were already cut off, with no hope until Christ Risen.

Since we, who have been given the Breath of Life, ARE the Body of Christ, we are purified, cleansed, and washed from all unrighteousness, to prepare for the Marriage supper of the Lamb, with White Robes dipped in His Blood. Literally, probably not, but Spiritually, this speaks volumes, for those who walk this narrow path with Him as the Shepard. But there are those who refuse this.

This is one of the reasons I am not a Universalist any longer. It doesn't add up. Yes ALL are saved from this death, but not all will partake of the Tree of Life. There will be those "outside the Gates", or cast off, cut off, whatever, that are no longer part of His Body.

Is this making sense?
yes, this does make perfect sense; in a nutshell, the fact that not everyone will be saved by the blood of the Lamb suggests that marriage may not be eternal, except the marriage to Him that all who are saved will share with Him.
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Old 10-15-2008, 05:52 AM
 
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Let me make sure here; you are a universalist Harris? That then plays a major role in all of this; I can't talk about it now, but I will come back to this later.
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Old 10-15-2008, 05:54 AM
 
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Yes, there are answers to these multiple questions and scripture to back these answers up. I believe many of these answers are present in the Bible.

You may have already known or assumed this, but I am a Latter-day Saint Christian (yes.. a "Mormon" which is a misnomer). I believe in additional revelations (I know... many of you are saying.. gasp... a heretic). In these other revelations, additional light is cast on these questions, which though answered in many cases already in the Bible, may not be as clearly answered in some instances in the Bible (thus the many religions present on the earth today).

If you are ever interested in discussing this further, I would be ammenable at another thread or PM's, or you can go to www.mormon.org or www.lds.org

Out of respect to fellow-Christians, in this thread I have used only Biblical references... mainly in an attempt to help them perhaps in further examining their own beliefs from a source they already accept as true... as well as to have a discussion which I feel has been fruitful and uplifting thus far without interjecting other conversations.
Please share; it really doesn't bother me. I just want to learn more about the issue
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Old 10-15-2008, 09:34 AM
 
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Yes, there are answers to these multiple questions and scripture to back these answers up. I believe many of these answers are present in the Bible.

You may have already known or assumed this, but I am a Latter-day Saint Christian (yes.. a "Mormon" which is a misnomer). I believe in additional revelations (I know... many of you are saying.. gasp... a heretic). In these other revelations, additional light is cast on these questions, which though answered in many cases already in the Bible, may not be as clearly answered in some instances in the Bible (thus the many religions present on the earth today).

If you are ever interested in discussing this further, I would be ammenable at another thread or PM's, or you can go to www.mormon.org or www.lds.org

Out of respect to fellow-Christians, in this thread I have used only Biblical references... mainly in an attempt to help them perhaps in further examining their own beliefs from a source they already accept as true... as well as to have a discussion which I feel has been fruitful and uplifting thus far without interjecting other conversations.
The short answer is no. The longer reason is to understand LDS beliefs about their ultimate goal....becoming a god. For those who would like to read why or for Mormons who would like to have "free" "no strings attached" forgiveness, I would recommend www.thecityofzion.com to learn more.
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Old 10-15-2008, 10:20 AM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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The short answer is no. The longer reason is to understand LDS beliefs about their ultimate goal....becoming a god. For those who would like to read why or for Mormons who would like to have "free" "no strings attached" forgiveness, I would recommend www.thecityofzion.com to learn more.
What do you mean no strings attached forgiveness?

The scriptures say if you don't forgive, you won't be forgiven...

That is a pretty big string...

godspeed,

freedom
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Old 10-15-2008, 12:35 PM
 
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Freedom,
It means what it says.....our forgiveness of our sins is not something we earned, deserved nor something we owe God for like owing a creditor.
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Old 10-15-2008, 12:40 PM
 
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it's not about owing anything.

If you dont forgive then you're rejecting the principle behind forgiveness.
This is why God wont forgive you if you dont forgive others.

If you expect Him to forgive you while you're NOT forgiving others, then that's just mocking Him and His grace/mercy.

Forgiveness does comes with strings attached as you need to do it also otherwise it defeats the purpose of grace/mercy.

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Freedom,
It means what it says.....our forgiveness of our sins is not something we earned, deserved nor something we owe God for like owing a creditor.
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Old 10-15-2008, 01:31 PM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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Freedom,
It means what it says.....our forgiveness of our sins is not something we earned, deserved nor something we owe God for like owing a creditor.
If you don't forgive, are you forgiven?

godspeed,

freedom
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Old 10-15-2008, 06:07 PM
 
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Shana and Nero are correct: Adam and Eve are not married in heaven, and neither is anyone else. Jesus himself said so...
thats if they dont know the scriptures isnt it?
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Old 10-15-2008, 06:22 PM
 
Location: New Zealand
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it's not about owing anything.

If you dont forgive then you're rejecting the principle behind forgiveness.
This is why God wont forgive you if you dont forgive others.

If you expect Him to forgive you while you're NOT forgiving others, then that's just mocking Him and His grace/mercy.

Forgiveness does comes with strings attached as you need to do it also otherwise it defeats the purpose of grace/mercy.
Renriq,

Absolutely agree!!
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