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Old 10-12-2008, 10:50 PM
 
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hmmm you didnt post anything to this extent.

How did I know you had other motives starting this thread?

If you're seeking for confirmation of your choice of leaving that church then you're in the wrong place. Make sure to tell the WHOLE truth about a situation so that we can make unbiased opinions.

This is why I treaded carefully when I first responded to your post.
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Now, when I was there in bible study, the leaders would openly judge and put down the Mormon church. They would also get defensive and say "they aren't judging the Mormons but they are just wrong about the way that they worship". So, it was one of The Bible studies missions to convert Mormons into bible based Christians. One of their tactics was to pretend to be friends with random Mormon folks, pretend to like their religion, and slowly convert and manipulate the Mormon folks into being bible based Christians. One church leader blurted out to me, out of the way, that they are just going to pretend to be your friend. The church was also very much against Psychology for some reason.

Renriq,

This is why christians get the name of hypocrits,some think that it is ok to manipulate, pretend to be friendly.

Christians are meant to spread the good news of the gospel, not manipulate and lie.
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Old 10-12-2008, 10:53 PM
 
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No way. There are no other motives. I'm not against churches or Christianity, remember denominations vary for different reasons.

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hmmm you didnt post anything to this extent.

How did I know you had other motives starting this thread?

If you're seeking for confirmation of your choice of leaving that church then you're in the wrong place. Make sure to tell the WHOLE truth about a situation so that we can make unbiased opinions.

This is why I treaded carefully when I first responded to your post.
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Old 10-12-2008, 10:53 PM
 
Location: Charlotte, North Carolina
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this is why i question his post.

I asked for examples, and yet he hasn't proven anything.

Pretending to be friends? That in itself is wrong unless he is God, and knows their hearts.

I have seen his other posts...and he's looking for an excuse.

oh well

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Renriq,

This is why christians get the name of hypocrits,some think that it is ok to manipulate, pretend to be friendly.

Christians are meant to spread the good news of the gospel, not manipulate and lie.
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Old 10-12-2008, 10:54 PM
 
Location: Montrose, CA
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Ok, I used to be part of a really large church back when I was in college. It was mostly college aged folks that went and another service was for the much older folks. I'd say a few thousand college students would attend the service, and most were also the leaders too, so it was a huge church and gathering for college folks.

Now, when I was there in bible study, the leaders would openly judge and put down the Mormon church. They would also get defensive and say "they aren't judging the Mormons but they are just wrong about the way that they worship". So, it was one of The Bible studies missions to convert Mormons into bible based Christians. One of their tactics was to pretend to be friends with random Mormon folks, pretend to like their religion, and slowly convert and manipulate the Mormon folks into being bible based Christians. One church leader blurted out to me, out of the way, that they are just going to pretend to be your friend. The church was also very much against Psychology for some reason.

Another church member/leader (of the same church) told me she was seducing people that didn't regularly believe in her denomination so that they would attend her church and stay with the church (I'm not sure if she was lying to me) but again I felt a little creeped out.

Does anybody have any opinions on this? It seemed very strange and even a bit unethical to me, I didn't feel comfortable continuing at that church; however, other Christians might have a different perspective on this and can explain a different view or if you agree please say so and offer your thoughts.
Meh, no big surprise this happened. As a child and teenager I was taught that the Catholic church was evil and that the pope was the antichrist. It's all part of the game that religions play. They want you to think they're the only "true" religion.
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Old 10-12-2008, 11:00 PM
 
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Did you not read it when I said the leaders openly admitted to pretending to be their friends. They said it in plain English with pride and no guilt or shame. Ok.

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this is why i question his post.

I asked for examples, and yet he hasn't proven anything.

Pretending to be friends? That in itself is wrong unless he is God, and knows their hearts.

I have seen his other posts...and he's looking for an excuse.

oh well
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Old 10-12-2008, 11:08 PM
 
Location: Charlotte, North Carolina
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that was ONE church leader according to your post.

I dont define a whole church and their beliefs from what ONE person says UNLESS it is the main leader of that church.

Leaving that church for reasons like that is just weird for me.
If they had different teachings of salvation then that would be be a big reason.

Why didnt you stay and pray for the church to change since that seemed to be the 'major' reason why you left?

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Did you not read it when I said the leaders openly admitted to pretending to be their friends. They said it in plain English with pride and no guilt or shame. Ok.
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Old 10-12-2008, 11:09 PM
 
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Theory?

We must follow the bible not what a person or denomination says.
And again,all of these groups feel they 'are following the bible'.
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Old 10-12-2008, 11:18 PM
 
Location: Charlotte, North Carolina
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and that's why you have to compare what they teach to the bible.

the majority of denominations have a difference in opinions on salvation and/or not 'losing your salvation'

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And again,all of these groups feel they 'are following the bible'.
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Old 10-13-2008, 03:45 AM
 
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In other words. One big lie.


No.

Do not try and set me up; I didn't say that it was one big lie.

That is your faulty conclusion and misapropriation of what you have read.

I pointed out that it is hypocritical to say "I don't believe in psychology" and to the proceed to use pyschology as an underhanded means of trying to bring about one's own agenda. It's manipulative. And nobody likes to be manipulated. Especially if it is being done to them intentionally.

Do we "understand" one another, artsyguy?

Something tells me we do.
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Old 10-13-2008, 09:41 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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In plain English, June is saying this:

If a group of people set out and make a point of clearly stating that they are against something, (in this case psychology) but all the while are making awfully good use of it by pretending to befriend or seduce others due to their own agenda, that, my friend, is called:

Manipulation.

Is it hypocritical?

Let me ask you something: If June, the heathen, was on some sort of "heathen mission" (which Lord knows she is not!) and pretended to be your friend for no other reason than to try and get you to abandon your belief in God, or worse, if I went so far as to date you, sleep with you, make you somehow fall in love with me, intentionally and explicity for purposes of that same agenda, would you feel manipulated? Would I be acting hypocritically? Yes, I would.

-Because it's not honest. It's not sincere. It's deemed manipulative because of that; because it possesses an ulterior, hidden motive and agenda.

It's also, (in June's book) called something else, as well, aside from merely being "manipulation" when used in the realm of intentionally targeting a vulnerable individual or population...Especially as regards their personal belief system.



This theist would call it EVIL


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