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Old 10-15-2008, 10:57 PM
 
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If that's the case, then why is there even a need for evangelism?
I believe the Holy Spirit uses many ways to reach our souls. First and foremost, your conceince, according to the Bible is the work of the Holy Spirit working in you. I also believe He uses the work of evangelists to strengthen what is already written on our conscience. Scripture is quoted correctly by the person to whom you were replying.

As far as to answer the poster's question, if you have a desire to know the teachings of Jesus or more about him, please read the Bible or visit a church that teaches FROM the Bible. Some do not, and don't even really teach much about Jesus. If you would like to know more, I'd be happy to share what I know. I don't claim to be an expert, but I do study the Bible and would be happy to help you become exposed to the teachings of Jesus so that you can find out for yourself what it's all about and make your own decision as to whether or not you believe. The Bible does say that Jesus is the way to Heaven, but final judgement will not be by me or you or anyone here, it will be by the Father and none of us can say what He will see on your heart.

The most important thing for all of us reading this thread here who are Christians, is that we look to our Bibles for the answers. Sometimes what we think and feel are not always what our faith teaches.
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Old 10-15-2008, 11:02 PM
 
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Many millions of non-christians have been brought up to believe that their own deity created the world. That excuses them.
Just because it's what they were brought up to believe doesn't mean that it's the truth. If you raise your child to believe that the world is flat and they grow to believe that with all their might, it does not make the earth any less round. It is what it is.
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Old 10-16-2008, 05:46 AM
 
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Just because it's what they were brought up to believe doesn't mean that it's the truth. If you raise your child to believe that the world is flat and they grow to believe that with all their might, it does not make the earth any less round. It is what it is.

This is a fascinating statement. So your religion is the "correct" one, to the exclusion of all others? I happen not to be Christian, and I must say, I'm glad you straightened this out for me. Otherwise, how would I have known?
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Old 10-16-2008, 07:52 AM
 
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Since Christians think that "no one cometh to the Father but by me"[Jesus], what do they think becomes of those people who have never heard of or been exposed to the teachings of Jesus? Limbo? Just lay in the grave? Go to hell? Just curious.
Sometimes it may be best to leave that up to God to deal with. I am sure there is a plan in place to deal with those who haven't heard the Good News, but again, why bank on the presumption that those who haven't are just doomed?

Peter says this:

2Pe 2:21
For it would be better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn away from the holy commandment handed on to them.

Why is this? What is the better unknown? Does this mean there is a "worse"?


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Old 10-16-2008, 08:08 AM
 
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I have heard the "good news" and have rejected it and substituted reality. So what do you think happens to agnostics and atheists?
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Old 10-16-2008, 08:44 AM
 
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I heard a missionary report in the ‘70s that they had gone into a region of Africa where there had been no evangelistic efforts before them. The team observed a spirit of marvel and adoration when they communicated the love of God, and the sacrifice that His son had given. It seemed the people had previous knowledge of this One that loved enough to die for them.

“Jesus – so that’s His name!!” was their response to the good news.

This made such an impression in the missionary team that the One who had sent them would prepare the soil, and plant the seeds as well! Salvation is of the LORD.
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Old 10-16-2008, 08:46 AM
 
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I have heard the "good news" and have rejected it and substituted reality. So what do you think happens to agnostics and atheists?
if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again. (Rom 11:23)
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Old 10-16-2008, 08:58 AM
 
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I think he is asking for those that don't know the gospel and thus don't know God's laws..

what happens to them?
We all know God's Laws, it's called the Ten Commandments. The bible says, he wrote His Laws in our heart. We know what is wrong, lying, stealing, coveting, murder. We know, therefore we are without excuse on the day of judgment.

If people didn't go to hell if they never heard the gospel, then we shouldn't witness to people. we shouldn't even build churches because exposing anyone to the gospel could be the worst thing we Christians could do because after all we would not want everyone to go to hell.
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Old 10-16-2008, 09:05 AM
 
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We all know God's Laws, it's called the Ten Commandments. The bible says, he wrote His Laws in our heart. We know what is wrong, lying, stealing, coveting, murder. We know, therefore we are without excuse on the day of judgment.

If people didn't go to hell if they never heard the gospel, then we shouldn't witness to people. we shouldn't even build churches because exposing anyone to the gospel could be the worst thing we Christians could do because after all we would not want everyone to go to hell.
Are you saying a 2 year old child knows stealing something is wrong.
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Old 10-16-2008, 09:10 AM
 
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Are you saying a 2 year old child knows stealing something is wrong.
A 2 year old child is born in sin therefore knows the difference between wrong or right. I have witnessed enough babies doing something while they are looking at the parent because they KNOW its wrong.

A 2 year is still innocent and precious in God's sight and would not qualify for the program of salvation.
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