Trinity - How can Jesus be God if he is the Son of God? (verses, blood)

[bigthirsty]

Examples of passages that are bewildering to me regarding the trinity:

John - 45From the sixth hour until the ninth hour darkness came over all the land. 46About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi,[c] lama sabachthani?"—which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"[d]

also

Mark - 32"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

Both seem like contradictions to the idea of the trinity. Hard to wrap my head around it I suppose.

[Alpha8207]

Originally Posted by bigthirsty

Examples of passages that are bewildering to me regarding the trinity:

John - 45From the sixth hour until the ninth hour darkness came over all the land. 46About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi,[c] lama sabachthani?"—which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"[d]

also

Mark - 32"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

Both seem like contradictions to the idea of the trinity. Hard to wrap my head around it I suppose.

The first one's a bit more involved than the second, bigthirsty.

I've heard folks use the second as a way to say 'Jesus wasn't God or He would have known!'

Not necessarily though. I heard a guy once say "Is there anything God knows, that he chooses not to know?"

That sounded crazy to me but then I really started thinking about it....

"The time is coming, declares the Lord,
when I will make a new covenant
with the house of Israel
and with the house of Judah.
It will not be like the covenant
I made with their forefathers
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they did not remain faithful to my covenant,
and I turned away from them, declares the Lord.
This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel
after that time, declares the Lord.
I will put my laws in their minds
and write them on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
No longer will a man teach his neighbor,
or a man his brother, saying, 'Know the Lord,'
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest.
For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more." Heb 8:8-12

OUR SINS! Thank God!

So, God knows our sins but chooses not to remember them. I know, I know....sounds crazy probably but remember, something about us is in God's image....not vice versa....He's much bigger and more complex than us.

I think Jesus and God are one in the same but I believe the different aspects of the Godhead play different roles.

There's no way to articulate the Trinity in human words but sometimes I think of it sorta like the police department. The officer on patrol is a representative of the entire police force. So is the detective. So is the Chief, etc. All separate in their duties and responsibilities but all equally the 'police force'.

There's serious errors with all human analogies, but that's one that 'sorta' explains for me.

[bigthirsty]

Originally Posted by Alpha8207

There's serious errors with all human analogies, but that's one that 'sorta' explains for me.

In all seriousness, have you explained it to yourself so you understand it (because others have said there is a Trinity)?

Does that make sense?

[Fundamentalist]

Originally Posted by bigthirsty

In all seriousness, have you explained it to yourself so you understand it (because others have said there is a Trinity)?

Does that make sense?

Yes! because if there is no Trinity then I am sorry but God would have to be psyzo

[spm62]

Originally Posted by bigthirsty

In all seriousness, have you explained it to yourself so you understand it (because others have said there is a Trinity)?

Does that make sense?

In my opinion that is the problem with the trinity and some other doctrines that the church espouses. I use to do the same thing for many years when I was part of the church system. The church said this is true and they gave their spin on it. It really didn`t seem to add up with so many other scriptures. But because the church and so many other..so called..learned religious people and preachers believed it and taught it, I tried to find a way to reconsile it in my mind so I would believe it.... or somehow put it in a way that I could somehow reconsile it with other scriptures that basically contradicted it. When I finally decided to just stop trying to read into scripture stuff that wasn`t there...it became much clearer for me. Just my thoughts.

[Fundamentalist]

Originally Posted by spm62

In my opinion that is the problem with the trinity and some other doctrines that the church espouses. I use to do the same thing for many years when I was part of the church system. The church said this is true and they gave their spin on it. It really didn`t seem to add up with so many other scriptures. But because the church and so many other..so called..learned religious people and preachers believed it and taught it, I tried to find a way to reconsile it in my mind so I would believe it.... or somehow put it in a way that I could somehow reconsile it with other scriptures that basically contradicted it. When I finally decided to just stop trying to read into scripture stuff that wasn`t there...it became much clearer for me. Just my thoughts.

again God would have to be psyzo

[spm62]

Originally Posted by Fundamentalist

again God would have to be psyzo

[Fundamentalist]

God is love, then God always loved. Who did an eternal being love if not another eternal being? An eternal being could not have always loved a being with a beginning.

If God is by His lonesome then He must be psyzo because He refers to Himself in a plurality form. "Let US make man in OUR image"

[little elmer]

My father and I have the same last names; that makes us both ______.

That's a simple way to explain the concept, except they (the Trinity) are of one mind.

[spm62]

Originally Posted by little elmer

My father and I have the same last names; that makes us both ______.

That's a simple way to explain the concept, except they (the Trinity) are of one mind.

Just like Jesus calls us to be one... like he and the Father are one. One in spirit but seperate beings. Just like you and your father have the same name but you are not your father and your father is not you.