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Old 10-14-2008, 09:56 AM
 
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Hi freedom,

We are adopted sons while he was begotten meaning his source was eternal deity while we were created. Again my fundamental criticism of those that make comments on what one God is is they don't realize what "one" is. What in the real world has essential oneness? One tree has many leaves, one man has two eyes, one house has many rooms. All one is is a human construct for the particular context. The pottery does not have a good construct of the potter that is for sure.
My heart beats quite independently of me and so do I breath independently though I may do it consciously when I choose for the latter. Are those puppets? Many things operate within me that are not in the conscious mind but are essential to me and all follow the will to live and it in that case the same will. Is my own heart me?
So to define what one God means I would like one simple example that God is one of what? Is God a contiguous deified blob of some sort perhaps? What connects God from one end to the other? For me we could arbitrarily define my flesh but then I could lose a finger or have a stroke. Its gets real fuzzy. One is as irrational as three IMHO.
You are using finite standards to describe a infinite being. It should be fuzzy because it is beyond our comprehension. He is God
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Old 10-14-2008, 09:58 AM
 
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1. The Bible states there are three that bare record in heaven, the Father, the word (Jesus), and the holy ghost, and these three are one.
Yes, and there are others that bare record also, but the main three are God the Father, Jesus the Son, and the Holy Spirit (which is the connection to all of us).
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2. And that is why Jesus said why ask me to show you the Father, if you have seen me you have seen the Father.
Yes, He wasn't saying that He was the Father, He was pointing out His station in perfection and Oneness.

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3. And that is why when Thomas saw Jesus after he died on the cross, Thomas said to Him, "my Lord and my God".
He was honoring the Father and the Son...Did He not know the full story?

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4. And that is why God said during creation, let (US) make man in (OUR) image and in (OUR) likeness.
US presents more than One, though they are one in purpose and spirit.

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5. And that is why when the God of the Old Testament said He made the Earth (alone and by Himself), the New Testament correctly states that it was Jesus that made the earth and all things.
Jesus said; of that day and hour knoweth no one, Only the Father in Heaven.

Jesus said, Call me not good, There is one that is good, God

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There is only one God, but He exist in three person as stated in the Scriptures.
Scriptures also say there are lords many and gods many. Jesus even called them gods to whom the word of god came.
He said "Ye are gods" and the scriptures cannot be broken.

godspeed,

freedom
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Old 10-14-2008, 09:59 AM
 
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Default The Trinity

The clearest place to see the Three parts of God is when Jesus was baptised and God spoke from heaven about the Holy Spirit resting on Him...

Father, Son & Holy Spirit...

"As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting on him. And a voice from heaven said, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased."

Matthew 3:16-17

Undoubtedly Jesus is God...

For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Isaiah 9:6

Jesus came to earth as a man so that we could know God....

God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? And again, when he bringeth in the first begotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands...

Hebrews 1:1-10
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Old 10-14-2008, 10:07 AM
 
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The clearest place to see the Three parts of God is when Jesus was baptised and God spoke from heaven about the Holy Spirit resting on Him...

Father, Son & Holy Spirit...

"As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting on him. And a voice from heaven said, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased."

Matthew 3:16-17
I was going to stay out of this conversation but I had to address the above statement. I've seen the other two scriptures you quoted in connection w/ proving the Trinity doctrine (and I've addressed them on this board) but I fail to see how the above passage proves the nature of a Triune God. If Jesus is God, whose voice is speaking? And if it is God the Father, does that not in itself prove that the two individuals are seperate? I don't see any evidence there but that the three are indeed different and completely unique.
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Old 10-14-2008, 10:10 AM
 
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I was going to stay out of this conversation but I had to address the above statement. I've seen the other two scriptures you quoted in connection w/ proving the Trinity doctrine (and I've addressed them on this board) but I fail to see how the above passage proves the nature of a Triune God. If Jesus is God, whose voice is speaking? And if it is God the Father, does that not in itself prove that the two individuals are seperate? I don't see any evidence there but that the three are indeed different and completely unique.
Thomas the disciple declared concerning Jesus, “Lord and my God” (John 20:28). Why did Jesus not correct him?

John 10:30, “I and the Father are one.” “We are not stoning you for any of these, replied the Jews, but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God”

Why again did not Jesus recant, or say they misunderstood but He said, nothing. If Jesus is a created being then He committed blasphemy. His silence said, He was God
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Old 10-14-2008, 10:13 AM
 
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Plurality in the unity of God is implied in the Old Testament.
Father, Son, and Spirit are all called "God" in the New Testament.

Naves Topical Bible

" Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

Matthew 28:18-20
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Old 10-14-2008, 10:15 AM
 
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I was going to stay out of this conversation but I had to address the above statement. I've seen the other two scriptures you quoted in connection w/ proving the Trinity doctrine (and I've addressed them on this board) but I fail to see how the above passage proves the nature of a Triune God. If Jesus is God, whose voice is speaking? And if it is God the Father, does that not in itself prove that the two individuals are seperate? I don't see any evidence there but that the three are indeed different and completely unique.
God the Father speaks, God the Son is baptized, God the Holy Spirit descends on Jesus. God is one, yet in three persons at the same time. The three are unique and each one has a different role. Yes they are separate yet still one.
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Old 10-14-2008, 10:18 AM
 
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3 coexistent, co-eternal persons that make up God
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Old 10-14-2008, 10:18 AM
 
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God the Father speaks, God the Son is baptized, God the Holy Spirit descends on Jesus. God is one, yet in three persons at the same time. The three are unique and each one has a different role. Yes they are separate yet still one.

Hmmm, but it doesnt say that. It says ' a voice from heaven'...it says 'holy spirit in the shape of a dove', and it says 'when he came up from the water'. If it called all three 'God', of course I'd be inclined to agree. But it does not.
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Old 10-14-2008, 10:21 AM
 
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Hmmm, but it doesnt say that. It says ' a voice from heaven'...it says 'holy spirit in the shape of a dove', and it says 'when he came up from the water'. If it called all three 'God', of course I'd be inclined to agree. But it does not.
alicenavada,

I'm kind of new here and don't know many people. Can I ask what kind of church you've attended?

btw - this Scripture from Isaiah speaks to the event that were discussing....

" A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse;
from his roots a Branch will bear fruit.

The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him-
the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding,
the Spirit of counsel and of power,
the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD--
and he will delight in the fear of the LORD.

He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes,
or decide by what he hears with his ears;
but with righteousness he will judge the needy,
with justice he will give decisions for the poor of the earth.
He will strike the earth with the rod of his mouth;
with the breath of his lips he will slay the wicked.
Righteousness will be his belt and faithfulness the sash around his waist."

Isaiah 11:1-5

1. This scripture talks about Jesus' birth.
2. It indicates that there is a LORD.
3. It speaks of the Spirit of the LORD that will rest upon Him.

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