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Old 10-14-2008, 09:22 AM
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Location: Hot-Houston Texas
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Hmmm, but it doesnt say that. It says ' a voice from heaven'...it says 'holy spirit in the shape of a dove', and it says 'when he came up from the water'. If it called all three 'God', of course I'd be inclined to agree. But it does not.
So who's voice from Heaven do you think that was?
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Old 10-14-2008, 09:24 AM
 
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There is just too much evidence in the bible showing a plurality and that the Jews accused Jesus of blasphemy, claiming He was was God.
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Old 10-14-2008, 09:26 AM
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There is just too much evidence in the bible showing a plurality and that the Jews accused Jesus of blasphemy, claiming He was was God.
Yes I agree with you.
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Old 10-14-2008, 09:28 AM
 
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There is just too much evidence in the bible showing a plurality and that the Jews accused Jesus of blasphemy, claiming He was was God.
Jesus didn't claim to be God, He said He was the Son of God.

Psa 82:6 I have said, Ye [are] gods; and all of you [are] children of the most High.

Jhn 10:30 I and [my] Father are one.


Jhn 10:31 ∂ Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.


Jhn 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?


Jhn 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.


Jhn 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?


Jhn 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;


Jhn 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

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Old 10-14-2008, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Pleasant Shade Tn
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So who's voice from Heaven do you think that was?

It was God. Simple and pure.
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Old 10-14-2008, 09:30 AM
 
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alicenavada,

I'm kind of new here and don't know many people. Can I ask what kind of church you've attended?
I think we've spoken before World Citizen. I am a Jehovah's Witness.
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Old 10-14-2008, 09:30 AM
 
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Jesus didn't claim to be God, He said He was the Son of God.

Psa 82:6 I have said, Ye [are] gods; and all of you [are] children of the most High.

Jhn 10:30 I and [my] Father are one................


godspeed,

freedom
I NEVER said, "Jesus claimed to be God". I said the Jews accused Him a number of times of blasphemy claiming He was God.

John 10:30, “I and the Father are one.” “We are not stoning you for any of these, replied the Jews, but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God”
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Old 10-14-2008, 09:31 AM
 
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Is it any wonder God and His character are not fully knowable by mere human minds?

Didn't God say His ways and thoughts are farther from us than the heavens are from the Earth? Any guess how far that is?

Didn't Christ say 'If you've seen me, you've seen the Father?

Father, Son, Holy Spirit=God

The devil's in the details.....literally and figuratively.
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Old 10-14-2008, 10:04 AM
 
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Jesus was "God with us"...

"The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel " --which means, "God with us."

Matthew 1:23

And the name Jesus means 'God is Gracious'. I'm not sure what the meaning of the name has to do w/the nature of God. It has never occurred to me to assume that "God is With Us' means that Jesus was God. He was a representative of God, certainly. He was God's son.
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Old 10-14-2008, 10:12 AM
 
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Micah 5

"But as for (B)you, Bethlehem Ephrathah,
Too little to be among the clans of Judah,
From (C)you One will go forth for Me to be (D)ruler in Israel
His goings forth are (E)from long ago,
From the days of eternity."

Isaiah 6
8Then I heard the (N)voice of the Lord, saying, "Whom shall I send, and who will go for Us?"

Genesis 1
Then God said, "Let (AE)Us make (AF)man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them (AG)rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.

Isaiah 9
For a (K)child will be born to us, a (L)son will be given to us;
And the (M)government will rest (N)on His shoulders;
And His name will be called (O)Wonderful Counselor, (P)Mighty God,
Eternal (Q)Father, Prince of (R)Peace.


Those are the obvious ones


Why may God appear from the midst of a bush but not from a man?

Exodus
So Moses said, "(F)I must turn aside now and see this marvelous sight, why the bush is not burned up." 4When the LORD saw that he turned aside to look, (G)God called to him from the midst of the bush and said, "Moses, Moses!" And he said, "Here I am."

Here is says God will dwell in their midst.

Zechariah 2
9"For behold, I will (O)wave My hand over them so that they will be (P)plunder for their slaves. Then you will know that the LORD of hosts has sent Me.
10"(Q)Sing for joy and be glad, O daughter of Zion; for behold I am coming and I will (R)dwell in your midst," declares the LORD.
11"(S)Many nations will join themselves to the LORD in that day and will become My people Then I will (T)dwell in your midst, and you will (U)know that the LORD of hosts has sent Me to you.
12"The LORD will (V)possess Judah as His portion in the holy land, and will again (W)choose Jerusalem.
13"(X)Be silent, all flesh, before the LORD; for He is (Y)aroused from His holy habitation."



Numbers 12
5(D)Then the LORD came down in a pillar of cloud and stood at the doorway of the tent, and He called Aaron and Miriam. When they had both come forward,

So will it be a bush or a cloud? So is God the cloud God? Then there is the bush God? Sounds like polytheism.


So its seems logical that since God may appear present in a cloud or a bush, he may even open the mouth of a donkey.



Numbers 22
28And (S)the LORD opened the mouth of the donkey, and she said to Balaam, "What have I done to you, that you have struck me these three times?"
So I guess monotheism as defined in some people's mind is that God may appear in many ways except in man which is in his own image . God may appear in everything but his image? How very logical it all is.




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