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Because Jesus says God the Father is greater than he is and he does his Fathers will and the Father gives him authority so that means that Jesus doesn't have that authority of his own, he is obedient to his Father and he will deliver the kingdom to his Father and be subject to his Father so that God can be all in all. That to me sounds like God the Father is in control and his son does his will.
Yeah. So what's your point? That's a given. The only thing I see where you are incorrect is that Jesus doesn't have authority of His own...of course He does!! He's God the Son.
1. The Bible states there are three that bare record in heaven, the Father, the word (Jesus), and the holy ghost, and these three are one.
2. And that is why Jesus said why ask me to show you the Father, if you have seen me you have seen the Father.
3. And that is why when Thomas saw Jesus after he died on the cross, Thomas said to Him, "my Lord and my God".
4. And that is why God said during creation, let (US) make man in (OUR) image and in (OUR) likeness.
5. And that is why when the God of the Old Testament said He made the Earth (alone and by Himself), the New Testament correctly states that it was Jesus that made the earth and all things.
There is only one God, but He exist in three person as stated in the Scriptures.
Absolutely. It just doesn't getter any simpler or plainer than this. Why is everyone making this so complicated?
And the name Jesus means 'God is Gracious'. I'm not sure what the meaning of the name has to do w/the nature of God. It has never occurred to me to assume that "God is With Us' means that Jesus was God. He was a representative of God, certainly. He was God's son.
Actually Jesus is a form of Joshua which means "Powerful"
Jesus Christ when put together as a sentance means.
" I shall be powerful, when annointed with light"
Which He was annointed with on the mount of transfiguration...
I NEVER said, "Jesus claimed to be God". I said the Jews accused Him a number of times of blasphemy claiming He was God.
John 10:30, “I and the Father are one.” “We are not stoning you for any of these, replied the Jews, but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God”
Is it any wonder God and His character are not fully knowable by mere human minds?
Didn't God say His ways and thoughts are farther from us than the heavens are from the Earth? Any guess how far that is?
Didn't Christ say 'If you've seen me, you've seen the Father?
Father, Son, Holy Spirit=God
The devil's in the details.....literally and figuratively.
Which is it?
Jhn 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared [him].
Act 7:55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
Act 7:56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
Apparently one that is Filled with the Holy Ghost is able to see God and Jesus standing on the right hand of God.
So you are correct when you say man has a tough time understanding, but with the spirit of God there is no mystery. The Holy Spirit can and will lead one into All truth.
The Word was God is not an accurate translation of the Greek. Some bible translations read 'The Word was a god', 'the Word was godlike', or 'the Word was divine'. Therefore, it doesnt render him equality with Almight God. It simply describes his position prior to his human existence, in the busom position with his Father. This is in keeping w/ verse 18 of the same verse which says that 'no man has seen God at any time'.
Could you show me that link other than the Jdub's site. That's the first I heard of that and I dabble in ancient greek and I don't know how you got that from that verse.
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He does rebuke people for calling him 'Good' if you'll remember, proclaiming that no one is Good but God.. Evidently, Thomas' devotion to God was not in question when he made this statement or Jesus would most certainly have rebuked him. When examined contextually, I do not believe there is confusion.
Isn't that a bit of a stretch, he criticizes people that call Him good, which the rich ruler didn't totally understand but he does not rebuke people for calling Him God????
[How about Jesus meant, be careful using the term "good" loosely because no human can claim it only God is good, so if you are calling me good then you are calling me God and if you are calling me God then you must believe.
Jesus already knew that the rich ruler would not give up his money therefore the young ruler was not ready to hear the gospel, notice Jesus let Him go and didn't call him back. Jesus wanted the ruler to see the seriousness of his question- "How do I obtain eternal life"?, therefore he took the young ruler through the Laws.
This story has nothing to do with Jesus rejecting He was God. This story is about the Ten Commandments and how the rich young ruler was breaking the "idolatry" commandment. His God was money and he wasn't willing to give it up for anything.]
Thomas called Jesus, "my Lord, my God"??? what was in question here? what was in question was Thomas not believing that Jesus rose from the dead not his devotion.
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Could it be that he was addressing the Father and the Son?
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27 Then He said to Thomas, "Reach here with your finger, and see My hands; and reach here your hand and put it into My side; and do not be unbelieving, but believing." 28 Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!" 29 Jesus said to him, "Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed."
I don't see it that way
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That's a given. The only thing I see where you are incorrect is that Jesus doesn't have authority of His own...of course He does!! He's God the Son.
