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Old 10-13-2008, 06:58 PM
 
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Interesting website I am reading

http://assemblyoftrueisrael.com/IsJe.../Indexpage.htm

Thoughts please
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Old 10-13-2008, 07:14 PM
 
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Basically not what christains believe or what is in the bilbe;is my only comment. You casn read all types of theories said to be based on some truth .That is why I rarely give any crediance to such works.
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Old 10-13-2008, 07:37 PM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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He can't be the Son of God and the Father of himself...

the "trinity doctrine" is flawed beyond belief... it is not what Jesus taught.

Jesus said "I can do nothing but what i seeth the Father do".

godspeed,


freedom
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Old 10-13-2008, 07:50 PM
 
Location: Oxford, OH
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God the father, Jesus the son and the Holy Spirit are all parts of One.
The best example I have heard is that a young man was speeding and goes before the Judge. To be just the Judge charges the boy and fines him. But lets say the Judge was the boy's father. He can come down off the bench and pay the fine for the boy. He can be both a just Judge and a loving father. They are characters or qualities of the same being.
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Old 10-13-2008, 07:53 PM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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God the father, Jesus the son and the Holy Spirit are all parts of One.
The best example I have heard is that a young man was speeding and goes before the Judge. To be just the Judge charges the boy and fines him. But lets say the Judge was the boy's father. He can come down off the bench and pay the fine for the boy. He can be both a just Judge and a loving father. They are characters or qualities of the same being.
We are to be One with the Father and Son also... so what's up with that?

There are more sons and daughters....there is more than three...

godspeed,

freedom
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Old 10-13-2008, 07:59 PM
 
Location: God's Country
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My thoughts are the same as the last time this came up, Jesus is God. driftwood gave a great example.
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Old 10-13-2008, 08:14 PM
 
Location: NC
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Here is an analogy that one poster shared that illustrates the belief that God the Father is greater than Jesus, although Jesus represents God the Father. He has the right to be called God because God gave Him this right. I believe that Jesus derives everything from the Father so that God the Father is greater than Him and God the Father is His God. How can one who is God have a God? The Son is in subjection to the Father.

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I believe in one God Almighty, the Father. The one Jesus prayed too. The one whose right hand he is now sitting. Christ is worthy of our worship because God the Father gave him all things including his attributes. He gave Jesus the fullness of his Spirit. Essentially making him God, The best analogy I can make,and it might not be a good one is this... There is a father who owns a company..he started it,he built it from scratch and he has a son. His son grows up and the Father gives him the keys to the business. He teaches him about the business. So, the son learns everything from him. His father says son,the business is yours to run. His father essentially makes him part owner but not an equal owner. The Father still has the majority stock or ownership but the son is running the business because the father gave it to him to run. Every employee would call the son boss and be subject to him. They would have to answer to him. He would have the ability to hire and fire people because he was running the business for his father. To the employees and clients of the business, both the son and the father are boss. But the son is the one they would go to if there was a problem. Because you have to go through the chain of command and no one goes to the father but by the son. So one day,after the business is huge and successful and everything is perfect with that business...because the son has got the business running perfectly...the son then and only then hands the business back over to his father. So it ends,exactly the way it started with the Father sitting in control of his business"

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Old 10-13-2008, 08:40 PM
 
Location: Pleasant Shade Tn
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They are seperate individuals. However, they are unified in purpose and thought. We are to be one just as they are one. Jesus is not Almighty God. He is the son of God.
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Old 10-13-2008, 09:21 PM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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They are seperate individuals. However, they are unified in purpose and thought. We are to be one just as they are one. Jesus is not Almighty God. He is the son of God.
Yes... and God wants us to be unified in His purpose as well...

We can abide in the Father and the Father abides in us.


godspeed,

freedom
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Old 10-13-2008, 09:34 PM
 
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He can't be the Son of God and the Father of himself...

the "trinity doctrine" is flawed beyond belief... it is not what Jesus taught.

Jesus said "I can do nothing but what i seeth the Father do".

godspeed,


freedom
Hello freedom,

He is not the Father of himself, he is the Son. God for what we understand is a will. Jesus was the will of God and always did his will. As I type this and you see it on your computer is it your computer that speaks to you or the computer bending to my will? Who made this post my computer, the server or yours? None of them, I did because you attribute it to me. What is it that God cannot use flesh to do his will, while me being flesh can use what has no life in it to do my will? It is your point of view that I cannot understand.
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