Not all Christians are going to Heaven (spiritual, Commandment, experience)

[Fundamentalist]

Originally Posted by Morale Officer

This statement, makes me realize that your walk is not right either. You people think that you have the ONLY way to salvation, but you never stop to think that maybe, JUST MAYBE there are other people in this world that have it just as right.

How else would like to think?If I am a Christian. I think like a Christian, if I am Muslim I think like a muslim, if I am an atheist, I think like an atheist.

If you came to my door trying to sell your brand of religion to me, more than likely, you would either get an earful from me for interrupting my sleep for no reason, or you wouldn't hear anyting other than the sounds of my door closing.

I don't go door to door and I don't sell. I am but a messenger for God, if not me He would send someone else to you because He is working on you.

You can have your beliefs of who's got it right, who's got it wrong, and who you think is going to heaven, but don't try to push it onto me. There are more than one jokes about someone going to heaven and after he's there for a few days he asks St. Peter about the buildings without windows and a very high wall around it and St. Peter replies, "That's for the _________, They like to think they're up here alone." I've heard many different versions where that blank is filled in with fundies, catholics, sda's, mormons, jw's, etc. just fill in the blank.

Not my words, His
(John 14:4)
6 "Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me."

[grannynancy]

James 4:11

11Brothers, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against his brother or judges him speaks against the law and judges it. When you judge the law, you are not keeping it, but sitting in judgment on it. 12There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you—who are you to judge your neighbor?

[renriq02]

Slander refers to a malicious, false, and defamatory statement or report

Judging - is speaking about condemnation. We are to judge right from wrong. How else would someone know who is the wolf in sheeps clothing if they dont 'judge' them. You're taking it out context.

the one who is able to save and destroy - condemnation

Originally Posted by grannynancy

James 4:11

11Brothers, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against his brother or judges him speaks against the law and judges it. When you judge the law, you are not keeping it, but sitting in judgment on it. 12There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you—who are you to judge your neighbor?

[Fundamentalist]

Originally Posted by renriq02

Slander refers to a malicious, false, and defamatory statement or report

Judging - is speaking about condemnation. We are to judge right from wrong. How else would someone know who is the wolf in sheeps clothing if they dont 'judge' them. You're taking it out context.

the one who is able to save and destroy - condemnation

The world judges everyday

[alicenevada]

Originally Posted by renriq02

[Judging - is speaking about condemnation. We are to judge right from wrong. How else would someone know who is the wolf in sheeps clothing if they dont 'judge' them. You're taking it out context.

I'm glad you said that renriq. So many people take that scripture about judging out of context. We are not to judge people as deserving of life or death certainly, but we have to judge between right and wrong actions and base our own decisions accordingly. We are instructed to do so.

[babigyrl5]

Originally Posted by alicenavada

I agree w/ this statement 100%. But I don't believe all true Christians are going to heaven.

I agree, I was baptized and did my confirmation through the Lutheran church, was "saved" through the AME church and now attend a Catholic church but even though I have been through all that and know for a fact Jesus is my Savior, I am still a sinner. Consciously and subconsciously. Ultimatly in the end it is up to God's grace on who He admits to Heaven and by then I hope all my rights outweight my wrongs. Until then all I can do is pray, continue to praise and thank Him for His glorious mercy and blessings I am so not worhty of and keep serving in His name

[grannynancy]

No, you are twisting the bible to meet your desires - The verse states "who are you to judge your neighbor"

The Bible is full of admonitions to not judge your neighbor. The speck in their eye vs.the plank in your own eye. etc.

[alicenevada]

Originally Posted by grannynancy

No, you are twisting the bible to meet your desires - The verse states "who are you to judge your neighbor"

The Bible is full of admonitions to not judge your neighbor. The speck in their eye vs.the plank in your own eye. etc.

Right, I agree that we should not judge our neighbor. But if a person practices grave sin and we know about it and therefore we choose NOT to associate w/ that person, is that judging? Some people may think so. But I think most people would agree that we ARE to judge actions and that doing so does not put us in the place of the Ultimate Judge, our Heavenly Father.

[renriq02]

You need to read the WHOLE passage not just 1 verse.

Originally Posted by grannynancy

No, you are twisting the bible to meet your desires - The verse states "who are you to judge your neighbor"

The Bible is full of admonitions to not judge your neighbor. The speck in their eye vs.the plank in your own eye. etc.

[Fundamentalist]

Originally Posted by grannynancy

No, you are twisting the bible to meet your desires - The verse states "who are you to judge your neighbor"

The Bible is full of admonitions to not judge your neighbor. The speck in their eye vs.the plank in your own eye. etc.

We are not to judge as hypocrites, If your friend is cheating on her husband and you are not, would you not judge her by telling her she is wrong?

Bible says, we can judge but in a right manner but we never judge someone's salvation.

(2 Timothy 4:2)
2 "Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction."