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10-21-2008, 01:35 PM
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If we are to condemn actions and not people, who are we to tell people who will and will not enter the kingdom of God? Fundamentalists do this ALL the time.
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10-21-2008, 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by grannynancy
If we are to condemn actions and not people, who are we to tell people who will and will not enter the kingdom of God? Fundamentalists do this ALL the time.
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No we don't condemn, we instruct, granted some with more vigor than others. Judging or condemning someone's salvation is forbidden. Jesus condemns and we carry on the message. If you have a beef take it up with Jesus, it's His words. There is only ONE way to God. |
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10-21-2008, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Fundamentalist
No we don't condemn, we instruct, granted some with more vigor than others. Judging or condemning someone's salvation is forbidden. Jesus condemns and we carry on the message. If you have a beef take it up with Jesus, it's His words. There is only ONE way to God.
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Do you even have an idea how many fundamentalist christians have out and out told me I am going to burn in Hell for not "re-doing" my baptism and not having some kind of supernatural prescribed moment where it all comes together and I am "saved"? I think there are several others who have had the same experience. Is that not condemning? |
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10-21-2008, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by grannynancy
Do you even have an idea how many fundamentalist christians have out and out told me I am going to burn in Hell for not "re-doing" my baptism and not having some kind of supernatural prescribed moment where it all comes together and I am "saved"? I think there are several others who have had the same experience. Is that not condemning?
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But don't you agree that we have the right and the responsibility to decide who we wish to associate with or who we wish to associate w/ our family? If you don't agree w/ the lifestyle of a person, and you choose to limit your association with them, is that wrong? And if not, does that not ammount to 'judging' somewhat? Yet at 1 Cor 15:22 it states 'do not be misled, bad associations spoil useful habits'. So we are expected to act as judge about some things evidently. |
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10-21-2008, 02:00 PM
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Conviction is of the Spirit, and it draws through love for the lost.
Condemnation is of the flesh, and it crushes hope.
If the message is anything more than "God is passionately in love with you, and His life within you is the change you desire" then it's nothing more than a religious nut throwing rocks at people.
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10-21-2008, 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by grannynancy
Do you even have an idea how many fundamentalist christians have out and out told me I am going to burn in Hell for not "re-doing" my baptism and not having some kind of supernatural prescribed moment where it all comes together and I am "saved"? I think there are several others who have had the same experience. Is that not condemning?
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There are many Christians out there who are spiritually immature but are growing. No Christian hasn't said anything in the past that they haven't regretted. It is up to you as a Christian to find the truth.
It is a commandment from God to be baptized after your conversion but it is not a way of salvation
If you don't remember your day of conversion (doesn't have to be exact) then that's dangerous territory, doesn't mean you are not saved. |
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10-21-2008, 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Fundamentalist
There are many Christians out there who are spiritually immature but are growing. No Christian hasn't said anything in the past that they haven't regretted. It is up to you as a Christian to find the truth.
It is a commandment from God to be baptized after your conversion but it is not a way of salvation
If you don't remember your day of conversion (doesn't have to be exact) then that's dangerous territory, doesn't mean you are not saved.
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What's most important tho, Fundamentalist, is "Where am I with the Lord right now?" I don't have yesterday, I don't have tomorrow.. the present is the most important. We will be judged by where we are in the present, not by "what we did" or "what we were going to do". |
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10-21-2008, 03:02 PM
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What's most important tho, Fundamentalist, is "Where am I with the Lord right now?" I don't have yesterday, I don't have tomorrow.. the present is the most important. We will be judged by where we are in the present, not by "what we did" or "what we were going to do".
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I agree somewhat. |
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10-21-2008, 03:05 PM
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Why would Jesus say Repent AND be baptized?
BTW - the thief on the cross was before the new covenant
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Originally Posted by Fundamentalist
There are many Christians out there who are spiritually immature but are growing. No Christian hasn't said anything in the past that they haven't regretted. It is up to you as a Christian to find the truth.
It is a commandment from God to be baptized after your conversion but it is not a way of salvation
If you don't remember your day of conversion (doesn't have to be exact) then that's dangerous territory, doesn't mean you are not saved.
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10-21-2008, 03:12 PM
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Why would Jesus say Repent AND be baptized?
BTW - the thief on the cross was before the new covenant
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He commanded us. I don't know what to say about that. |
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