Not all Christians are going to Heaven (Moses, Israel, Orthodox)

[I LOVE NORTH CAROLINA]

Originally Posted by renriq02

Why would Jesus say Repent AND be baptized?

BTW - the thief on the cross was before the new covenant

Because it symbolizes washing away our sins, it's the start of a new life in Jesus, Jesus was baptized and He should didn't need to be. Baptism is important because He commanded us to, but there is no saving power it in.

[renriq02]

There are many verses that state otherwise.

There were many people that asked....

What must I do to be saved....

Repent AND be Baptized.

Where is the power in that?
So if there is no power in Baptism...then there's no power in Repenting as both requires US to do it.

Originally Posted by I LOVE NORTH CAROLINA

Because it symbolizes washing away our sins, it's the start of a new life in Jesus, Jesus was baptized and He should didn't need to be. Baptism is important because He commanded us to, but there is no saving power it in.

[alicenevada]

Baptism is simply a symbol of the dedication we make to God in our heart. An outward manifestation of an inward quality. Without making the dedication first in our hearts, the physical act of baptism means nothing.

[renriq02]

So if we never get baptized after being a Christian for 20-30 years...we're still going to Heaven?

I'm asking everyone as some dont believe that all are going to Heaven.

[grannynancy]

Because he was talking to ADULTS who had not already BEEN Baptized by the Holy Spirit!

Some adults were re-baptized who had been baptized by John, but the Holy Spirit only descended up Jesus at that previous baptism.

Baptism is a requirement but it alone does not confer salvation.

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Entire households were baptized

1 Cor 1:16 I (Paul) baptized the household of Stephanas also ... Acts 11:13-14 He related to us how he had seen (the) angel standing in his house, saying, 'Send someone to Joppa and summon Simon, who is called Peter, who will speak words to you by which you and all your household will be saved.' Acts 16:15 After she (Lydia of Thyatira) and her household had been baptized, she offered us an invitation... Acts 16:30-32 Then he (the jailer) brought them (Paul and Silas) out and said, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" And they said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus and you and your household will be saved." So they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to everyone in his house. Acts 18:8 Crispus, the synagogue official, came to believe in the Lord along with his entire household.

To the Colossians, Paul compared baptism to circumcision.

Col 2:11-12 In him you were also circumcised with a circumcision not administered by hand, by stripping off the carnal body, with the circumcision of Christ. You were buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the power of God, who raised him from the dead.
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In Mark's Gospel, there is Jesus' own teaching on children.

Mk 10:13-16 And people were bringing children to him that he might touch them, but the disciples rebuked them. When Jesus saw this he became indignant and said to them, "Let the children come to me; do not prevent them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these." ... Then he embraced them and blessed them, placing his hands on them

And more importantly!
Jn 3:5 Jesus answered (Nicodemus), "Amen, amen, I say to you, no one can enter the kingdom of God without being born of water and Spirit." Jesus did not say here, but, oh by the way, children are protected by their parents faith - that may have been a jewish converstion construct, but where is that in the new testament?

[renriq02]

I was speaking of water baptism

Originally Posted by grannynancy

Because he was talking to ADULTS who had not already BEEN Baptized by the Holy Spirit!

Some adults were re-baptized who had been baptized by John, but the Holy Spirit only descended up Jesus at that previous baptism.

Baptism is a requirement but it alone does not confer salvation.

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Entire households were baptized

1 Cor 1:16 I (Paul) baptized the household of Stephanas also ... Acts 11:13-14 He related to us how he had seen (the) angel standing in his house, saying, 'Send someone to Joppa and summon Simon, who is called Peter, who will speak words to you by which you and all your household will be saved.' Acts 16:15 After she (Lydia of Thyatira) and her household had been baptized, she offered us an invitation... Acts 16:30-32 Then he (the jailer) brought them (Paul and Silas) out and said, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" And they said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus and you and your household will be saved." So they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to everyone in his house. Acts 18:8 Crispus, the synagogue official, came to believe in the Lord along with his entire household.
To the Colossians, Paul compared baptism to circumcision.

Col 2:11-12 In him you were also circumcised with a circumcision not administered by hand, by stripping off the carnal body, with the circumcision of Christ. You were buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the power of God, who raised him from the dead.
.
In Mark's Gospel, there is Jesus' own teaching on children. Mk 10:13-16 And people were bringing children to him that he might touch them, but the disciples rebuked them. When Jesus saw this he became indignant and said to them, "Let the children come to me; do not prevent them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these." ... Then he embraced them and blessed them, placing his hands on them

[I LOVE NORTH CAROLINA]

Originally Posted by renriq02

So if we never get baptized after being a Christian for 20-30 years...we're still going to Heaven?

I'm asking everyone as some dont believe that all are going to Heaven.

If we asked Jesus to forgive us of our sins and become our Lord an Savior then YES, that is how a person gets to Heaven, through Jesus, not through baptism.

[alicenevada]

Originally Posted by renriq02

So if we never get baptized after being a Christian for 20-30 years...we're still going to Heaven?

I'm asking everyone as some dont believe that all are going to Heaven.

I think 'unbaptized Christian' is kind of an oxymoron. I don't think a person who has no desire to symbolize their dedication to God thru water baptism could truly call himself a Christian. Do you?

[renriq02]

What you're stating is the first step of repentance.

When they asked him what must I do to be SAVED

He didnt say "ask for forgiveness, and make Me your Lord and Savior."

Originally Posted by I LOVE NORTH CAROLINA

If we asked Jesus to forgive us of our sins and become our Lord an Savior then YES, that is how a person gets to Heaven, through Jesus, not through baptism.

[renriq02]

Isn't water baptism part of repentance?

Originally Posted by alicenavada

Baptism is simply a symbol of the dedication we make to God in our heart. An outward manifestation of an inward quality. Without making the dedication first in our hearts, the physical act of baptism means nothing.