Not all Christians are going to Heaven (evolution, praying, homosexuals)

[Fundamentalist]

Originally Posted by Morale Officer

I keep reading several things here:
1) What does the Bible say?
2) I believe in the Bible 100%.
3) That's not what the Bible says.
4) That's not what the Bible meant.
Now, I've got a real problem. People ask for Bible verses. Verses are given. Instead of an "Ok, it's in the Bible," people are giving, "Yes, it says that, but that's not what it means." I get yelled at for believing what I believe and then preached to that I'm wrong and told I'm going to hell. You try to twist scripture to make it say what you want it to say. But as soon as someone produces scripture that proves you wrong, you say, "No, it doesn't say that." This is yet another reason all you can do sometimes is shake your head.

Well is your interpretation correct? and if so how do you know?

[alicenevada]

Originally Posted by Northsouth

It's about what the Bible says, not how we feel. Let's just forget about homosexuality for a minute, and look at it from this perspective.
What does the Bible say about pre-marital sex? It says that we are to abstain from sex until marriage. Yes, abstain. Does it specify heterosexual sex only? NO.

Therefore, having any kind of sex, heterosexual or homosexual, is wrong outside of marriage.

What does the Bible say about marriage? That it is to be between one man and one woman. So, in the confines of the Biblical directives, there should be NO premarital sex.

I am a single person, and I do not have sex. It is because the Bible tells me that I should not unless I am married. It's that simple. You pray to God to help you with your weaknesses, read and study the Bible and live only to please your God. DO NOT live to please yourself, you fight the good fight for the few years you are here and you win an everlasting life with our Almighty Creator God. It will be worth the very temporary self-denial to have a permanent place in heaven.

I want to offer you my sincere complements. I did not have sex before marriage either and am happy every day that I made that decision. My husband was a virgin as well. We are very happy and still enjoy each other very much. Satisfying sex? We've never known anything else because we love each other wholeheartedly and have no 'baggage' to bog down our relationship. We have three children together and are instilling the same morals and principals that were taught to us in our scriptural upbringing.

It is NOT a mistake or unnatural to choose not to have sex outside of marriage. Sex is only a small part of a relationship and shouldnt be used to simply satisfy a physical need but an emotional one as well. Therefore, my proverbial hat is off to you and everyone like you...'we're a rare breed'.

[Towhee]

It seems to me it is time to shake the dust off our feet on this one also....

" He who rejects Me and does not recieve My words, has that which judges him-the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last days." John 12.48

" He who hears you hears Me, he who rejects you rejects Me, and he who rejects Me rejects Him who sent Me." John 10.16

[I LOVE NORTH CAROLINA]

Originally Posted by Marianinark

Please quit misquoting John 3.16.... it says "whosoever believes in Him SHOULD NOT perish". The reason they should not perish is because those who really believe in Him WILL obey Him.

I did NOT miss quote, my translation says everyone who believes in Him WILL NOT PERISH.

[Towhee]

Originally Posted by I LOVE NORTH CAROLINA

I did NOT miss quote, my translation says everyone who believes in Him WILL NOT PERISH.

Uh oh...I would bet ( if I believed in betting) that 'your' translation is the NIV...right?

Perhaps it would be wise to check out other versions that are really translations, and not interpretations.

Yep. I am right , it is the NIV, and it also mistranslates, "his one and only son". I believe if you do some searching you will find that all others say "His only begotton Son".

Now I know where all the confusion is coming from!

[bchris02]

Originally Posted by alicenavada

It is NOT a mistake or unnatural to choose not to have sex outside of marriage. Sex is only a small part of a relationship and shouldnt be used to simply satisfy a physical need but an emotional one as well. Therefore, my proverbial hat is off to you and everyone like you...'we're a rare breed'.

God's plan for sex is one man, one woman, one lifetime. Sex outside of marriage is not permitted.

[alicenevada]

Originally Posted by bchris02

God's plan for sex is one man, one woman, one lifetime. Sex outside of marriage is not permitted.

Exactly. I think you may have misread my post. Read it again, please.

[supermom0204]

Originally Posted by Marianinark

Uh oh...I would bet ( if I believed in betting) that 'your' translation is the NIV...right?

Perhaps it would be wise to check out other versions that are really translations, and not interpretations.

Yep. I am right , it is the NIV, and it also mistranslates, "his one and only son". I believe if you do some searching you will find that all others say "His only begotton Son".

Now I know where all the confusion is coming from!

What translation do you use? Just asking. The only way to know what it FOR SURE says is to learn Greek and read the original. I think we would all find that there are words, phrases, and expressions used that don't HAVE a 100% accurate equivilant.

[Towhee]

Originally Posted by supermom0204

What translation do you use? Just asking. The only way to know what it FOR SURE says is to learn Greek and read the original. I think we would all find that there are words, phrases, and expressions used that don't HAVE a 100% accurate equivilant.

I have used the NASB for most of my 42 years of being in Christ. I am now using the NKJV. I have at least 5 more translations/versions, including the NIV. I will never use the NIV as the final word on any scripture. It is very definitely biased.

I also use the Young's Analytical Concordance, and The Analytical Greek Lexicon by Zondervan.

Now, all of us with a computer, can research all versions/translations, and compare them.

[I LOVE NORTH CAROLINA]

Originally Posted by Marianinark

Uh oh...I would bet ( if I believed in betting) that 'your' translation is the NIV...right?

Perhaps it would be wise to check out other versions that are really translations, and not interpretations.

Yep. I am right , it is the NIV, and it also mistranslates, "his one and only son". I believe if you do some searching you will find that all others say "His only begotton Son".

Now I know where all the confusion is coming from!

Good thing you don't bet, because you would be wrong, it's the New Living Translation. But remember, God is not the author of confusion.