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Old 10-17-2008, 01:04 PM
 
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That's a question you have to ask God because only He knows. A person can talk and walk like a Christian but if there is something inside that you're hiding from everyone else, God can still see it. If we see someone who is supposedly a Christian doing something that runs contrary to His Word, then it is expected of us to gently and in a spirit of love to address the issue with that person. If they refuse to do something about it time after time, then we are to leave that person to let God handle it. Don't you think it would be easier to get help sooner than later, knowing that God will work with you differently?
Unfortunately this person is going to die doing this. They will never turn away.
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Old 10-17-2008, 01:05 PM
 
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He said, "faith alone in Jesus Christ is preceded and followed by repentance" Do you see something wrong with that?
Show me one ounce of scripture that supports repentance PRIOR to faith.

One ounce.
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Old 10-17-2008, 01:10 PM
 
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Another example: Man lives his whole life and has a terrible temper problem. Blows up and uses profanity, screams, breaks stuff etc. Man goes to church, is convicted by the Holy Spirit and makes a decision to follow Christ. Two weeks later, man loses his job, comes home and loses his temper with his wife. Cusses, takes God's name in vain, breaks a lamp and makes a jerk out of himself. Yours and Mr. Washer's opinion, is that man was never truly saved because the Old Man is still there?
That depends is he falling in sin or is he diving in sin. Two big differences, which Paul Washer also preaches.
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Old 10-17-2008, 01:11 PM
 
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Show me one ounce of scripture that supports repentance PRIOR to faith.

One ounce.
Hoe can you have faith if you don't repent?
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Old 10-17-2008, 01:11 PM
 
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That depends is he falling in sin or is he diving in sin. Two big differences, which Paul Washer also preaches.
Again, I haven't watched the whole video but I am familiar with arguments for Lordship Salvation.

Is that a doctrine you believe in?
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Old 10-17-2008, 01:14 PM
 
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Hoe can you have faith if you don't repent?
I'm asking you, Christian to Christian, to support your OPINIONS(as your colleague said) with the Word of God. Otherwise, you and renriq2 have been condemned by your own words:

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How about 'sticking' to what the bible says not your opinions. Also, watch the whole video as Paul Washer doesnt believe what you're thinking

If you want to follow your opinions then you're following another religion.
Please show me one ounce of scripture that speaks of repentance PRIOR to faith, belief, salvation, etc.

Thanks.
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Old 10-17-2008, 01:14 PM
 
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I big clue is at 2:39 in the vid "*IF* I correctly interprete this passage"

A bunch of religious fear mongering.
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Old 10-17-2008, 01:25 PM
 
Location: Bronx, NY
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Alpha, I did a little quick research and what I found was is that there are some within the churches who believe repentance before faith and those who believe the opposite. To be honest with you, I never thought about that before. I remember I just got down on my knees one night and asked God to come into my life. Was there faith before that or after? I'm not sure but I know that it took something for me to get down on my knees that night.
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Old 10-17-2008, 01:27 PM
 
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I'm asking you, Christian to Christian, to support your OPINIONS(as your colleague said) with the Word of God. Otherwise, you and renriq2 have been condemned by your own words:

Please show me one ounce of scripture that speaks of repentance PRIOR to faith, belief, salvation, etc.

Thanks.
Truly think about it, How can you have faith if you don't repent first, that's why the name of God is being blasphemed everyday by people who think they are Christians living any which way because they gave their "foot" errr..I mean gave their heart to Jesus.

(Matthew 21:32)
"Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you. 32For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him."

(Mark 1:15)
"15"The time has come," he said. "The kingdom of God is near. Repent and believe the good news!"

(Acts 20:21)
21 "I have declared to both Jews and Greeks that they must turn to God in repentance and have faith in our Lord Jesus.
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Old 10-17-2008, 01:28 PM
 
Location: Charlotte, North Carolina
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Alpha did you watch the WHOLE video?

I used to curse many years ago....I dont now.
We all have issues we need to deal with but me cursing every week isn't repenting.
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