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Old 10-21-2008, 10:13 AM
 
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I dont know what you mean by eating a lot of crow.

I'm trying to identify it with NC since I now live in the Piedmont area
I'm in Charlotte too and our businesses are tied as well....anyway, 'eating crow' isn't just a southern term:

Eating crow - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 10-21-2008, 10:21 AM
 
Location: RV Park
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I'm not familiar with the scripture that says Christ came to renew the law....in fact, the scripture I just posted said He is the end of the law.

Please back your assertions up with scripture so that if there's something here God wants me to see, I'll have His word instead of a bunch of humans words.

Thanks.
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Old 10-21-2008, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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I'm not familiar with the scripture that says Christ came to renew the law....in fact, the scripture I just posted said He is the end of the law.

Please back your assertions up with scripture so that if there's something here God wants me to see, I'll have His word instead of a bunch of humans words.

Thanks.
Not the law, the Promises.... the Melchizedek priesthood was established on earth at the time of Abraham.

Gen 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he [was] the priest of the most high God.

Psa 110:4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou [art] a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.

Hbr 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
Hbr 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
Hbr 5:10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.

Read here how the King of peace brought the promises to Abraham;

Hbr 7:1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
Hbr 7:2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
Hbr 7:4 Now consider how great this man [was], unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.
Hbr 7:5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:
Hbr 7:6 But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.
Hbr 7:9 And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.

Hbr 11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten [son],

Jesus is from the lineage of Abraham..see Matt ch.1
His lineage is not under law (Moses) it is under the promises of God as given by the high priest Melchesidec.

Jesus renewed the promises, and did away with the law.

godspeed,

freedom
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Old 10-21-2008, 10:29 AM
 
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Did you read that? "THE FORMER REGULATION IS SET ASIDE" and "CHRIST IS THE END OF THE LAW"?
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Jesus renewed the promises, and did away with the law.
Looks like we agree.
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Old 10-21-2008, 10:41 AM
 
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To take it another step.

1Jo 2:25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, [even] eternal life.

1Jo 2:26 These [things] have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.

1Jo 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

1Jo 2:28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.

1Jo 2:29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.


Here is another interesting scripture; It blends a commandment with a promise.

Eph 6:1 Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right.

Eph 6:2 Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise)
Eph 6:3 That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth.


godspeed,

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Old 10-21-2008, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Charlotte, North Carolina
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The verse that I highlighted doesnt mean the way we shall live.

It speaks about SALVATION and that we're not saved because of the law.

Also, the Hebrew scripture says 'LAW' ... it is singular AND is speaking about the law of lineage of Priesthood.

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How about we just look to the Word.

I don't think anyone here is saying we don't need to follow Christ's teachings, in fact, Christ took the 10 commandments and RAISED the standards on virtually every commandment. So indeed, the New Covenant calls for more refining than the old law.

But as I said, let's look at some scriptures here.

First, this quote caught my eye while browsing through this thread:



Here, try this one on:
Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes. Romans 10:4
But even more telling and even more perplexing and even more scripture we should come before the Lord in prayer over is this from Hebrews:
If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood (for on the basis of it the law was given to the people), why was there still need for another priest to come—one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron? For when there is a change of the priesthood, there must also be a change of the law. He of whom these things are said belonged to a different tribe, and no one from that tribe has ever served at the altar. For it is clear that our Lord descended from Judah, and in regard to that tribe Moses said nothing about priests. And what we have said is even more clear if another priest like Melchizedek appears, one who has become a priest not on the basis of a regulation as to his ancestry but on the basis of the power of an indestructible life. For it is declared:
"You are a priest forever,
in the order of Melchizedek."

The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God. Hebrews 7:11-19
Now what, you law abiding citizens of the kingdom of God, do you do with that?

Did you read that? "THE FORMER REGULATION IS SET ASIDE" and "CHRIST IS THE END OF THE LAW"?

Do you believe the words of the Bible or not?

Maybe that's REALLY what we're discussing here.

There's two REALLY good threads about this and neither are very long. I would encourage you to read through them both and then just seek God's face on what's for you. By all means, the Bible is clear, if you need the law to keep you in line, do what is necessary. So if you need to follow the law to be able to execute the two greatest commandments "Love God, Love People" then knock yourself out. But don't condemn others 'who the Son has set free indeed!"

Here's the threads:

Ot & Nt

"Thou shall not make any graven images"
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Old 10-21-2008, 12:40 PM
 
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I am confused where this thread is going because how can you love the Lord God with all your heart......without following the commandments. I know the commandments is not applicable to Christians but we still follow it regardless.
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Old 10-21-2008, 12:43 PM
 
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That verse stated earlier was taken out of context.


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I am confused where there this thread is going because how can you love the Lord God with all your heart......without following the commandments. I know the commandments is not applicable to Christians but we still follow it regardless.
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Old 10-21-2008, 12:47 PM
 
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That verse stated earlier was taken out of context.

Paul said, how could we not know sin if not by the law, the law is a schoolmaster, the killed him, showed him he was a sinner who not worthy in the yes of God.
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Old 10-21-2008, 12:48 PM
 
Location: Pleasant Shade Tn
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As far as the 'ten commandments' go, the two commands that replaced the law (namely loving ones neighbor as oneself and loving God w/ all our heart, mind, soul, and strength) encompass those laws nicely. So it's kind of a given.

As for the more detailed laws that were laid out in Leviticus etc concerning the Nation of Israel and their instructions in regards to daily life, it is obvious that much of this was for the purpose of seperating God's chosen people from the surrounding nations. So we aren't required to follow these commands to the letter any longer. However, the principles still remain.
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