U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Religion and Spirituality > Christianity
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 10-20-2008, 12:00 PM
 
3,086 posts, read 5,561,727 times
Reputation: 967

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fundamentalist View Post
You said, the old testament you can get away with lusting and I am saying, YOU CAN'T,
I wasn't meaning that you could get away with lusting in God's eyes.. you could not (and you can not). But what would have been a sacrifice for a lustful thought or gaze? What was the way of atonement, and how would this be enforced/punished? The old law was not sufficient.. we needed an inward covenant. The Holy Spirit convicts us of lust and we repent.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 10-20-2008, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Charlotte, North Carolina
5,137 posts, read 15,094,482 times
Reputation: 1007
You're taking that out of context.

Don't you ever wonder why Paul would say 'Christ' instead of Jesus?

To say the word 'Christ' you're speaking about salvation.
Christ = Messiah.
Messiah came to save us from eternal damnation.

If you read it all you will see that Paul is speaking about salvation

The verse
For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

The meaning
For in salvation neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.



Quote:
Originally Posted by cg81 View Post
I think we're agreeing, we just don't know it!

So do you keep the whole Old Testament law? Or what do you trust in for your righteousness before God? And how would you explain the following scriptures?

Gal. 5:1 ¶ Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-20-2008, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
6,212 posts, read 11,451,774 times
Reputation: 1101
Quote:
Originally Posted by cg81 View Post
But without Christ, where would they be?
You realize Christ means annointed (with Light). That annointing comes from God, so we are nowhere without the annointing of Christ. Jesus said " Take my name upon you".



Quote:
No. It cannot be done by ourself. It can only be done with the covering of grace over us, hiding our sinfulness from God. We cannot become "Jesus."

Freedom Said; He did not fulfill righteousness for us, He fulfilled it to show it could be done and that there is a process of growing if we follow Him.

Ofcourse its not a solo project, we are nothing without God. He made us, and He raises us, if we allow Him to.

godspeed,

freedom
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-20-2008, 12:07 PM
 
3,086 posts, read 5,561,727 times
Reputation: 967
Quote:
Originally Posted by renriq02 View Post
You're taking that out of context.

Don't you ever wonder why Paul would say 'Christ' instead of Jesus?

To say the word 'Christ' you're speaking about salvation.
Christ = Messiah.
Messiah came to save us from eternal damnation.

If you read it all you will see that Paul is speaking about salvation

The verse
For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

The meaning
For in salvation neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
So do you keep all the Old Testament laws?

Gal 5:2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-20-2008, 12:11 PM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
6,212 posts, read 11,451,774 times
Reputation: 1101
Quote:
Originally Posted by cg81 View Post
So do you keep all the Old Testament laws?

Gal 5:2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law
I personally didn't have a choice in the whole circumcision thing... I was a couple days new....

So i must be a debtor to the whole law...

Is that why it is so important to me to live the teachings of God?


godspeed,

freedom
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-20-2008, 12:13 PM
 
3,627 posts, read 12,402,826 times
Reputation: 2682
This is to me a very meaningful discussion on the topic. Well, for me lightbulbs went on when I read it. It is a writing by Martin Luther - and not directly from the Bible but it references Bible passages

Martin Luther: The Freedom of a Christian (http://wsu.edu/~dee/REFORM/FREEDOM.HTM - broken link)
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-20-2008, 12:14 PM
 
3,086 posts, read 5,561,727 times
Reputation: 967
Quote:
Originally Posted by freedom View Post
i personally didn't have a choice in the whole circumcision thing... I was a couple days new....

So i must be a debtor to the whole law...

Is that why it is so important to me to live the teachings of god?
lol!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-20-2008, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Montrose, CA
3,031 posts, read 7,863,957 times
Reputation: 1925
Quote:
Originally Posted by cg81 View Post
The unconverted world is still bound by the old law… which is why they are not free. They chafe under it, mock it… they hate the convicting power of the law in their lives. Much time is spent legalistically trying to justify sin, for old law convicts of sin, but is powerless to deliver. Deliverance is found only in Christ.
I'm not "bound by the old law", and I consider myself quite free.

In fact, didn't your Jesus die for everyone, and not just the converted? That would imply that the unconverted are not, in fact, "bound by the old law", but are covered by the sacrifice of Jesus as well.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-20-2008, 12:20 PM
 
3,086 posts, read 5,561,727 times
Reputation: 967
Quote:
Originally Posted by SuSuSushi View Post
I'm not "bound by the old law", and I consider myself quite free.

In fact, didn't your Jesus die for everyone, and not just the converted? That would imply that the unconverted are not, in fact, "bound by the old law", but are covered by the sacrifice of Jesus as well.
Only those who repent are covered by the sacrifice of Jesus. Before that time, the unconverted are still judged by the law which convicts of sin.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-20-2008, 12:21 PM
 
Location: Charlotte, North Carolina
5,137 posts, read 15,094,482 times
Reputation: 1007
Again he is speaking about salvation.

If you are circumcised then you are a 'debtor'. The wages or debt of sin is death.

Quote:
Originally Posted by cg81 View Post
So do you keep all the Old Testament laws?

Gal 5:2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Religion and Spirituality > Christianity
Similar Threads
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2018, Advameg, Inc.

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 - Top