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Old 10-20-2008, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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So do you keep all the Old Testament laws?

Gal 5:2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law
Actually Circumcision was not even under the law, it was under the promises that Abraham received, the law is traditionally known as Mosaic.

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Old 10-20-2008, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Charlotte, North Carolina
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Repent from what if there is no law?

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Only those who repent are covered by the sacrifice of Jesus. Before that time, the unconverted are still judged by the law which convicts of sin.
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Old 10-20-2008, 12:23 PM
 
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Again he is speaking about salvation.

If you are circumcised then you are a 'debtor'. The wages or debt of sin is death.
yet the gift of God is Life and peace.... overcome sin and death will back down.

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Old 10-20-2008, 12:29 PM
 
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Again he is speaking about salvation.

If you are circumcised then you are a 'debtor'. The wages or debt of sin is death.
It reads "you are a debtor to do the whole law". This does not refer to the death of sin.

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Repent from what if there is no law?
I never said there was no law. Jesus FULFILLED the law... this does not mean the law does not exist.

The law still convicts of sin.. however, no longer do we need to keep all the Old Testament law of temple sacrifices etc, but rather repent of our sin and accept Jesus' sacrifice as the ultimate sacrifice for sin. No good deed we could ever do would make us righteous before God.
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Old 10-20-2008, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Charlotte, North Carolina
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so are you now saying there are laws...but we dont have to keep 'certain laws' ?

Also, 'debtor' means you 'owe' something.
This is why the 'wages of sin is death'

You break a law and you must 'pay'.



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It reads "you are a debtor to do the whole law". This does not refer to the death of sin.


I never said there was no law. Jesus FULFILLED the law... this does not mean the law does not exist.

The law still convicts of sin.. however, no longer do we need to keep all the Old Testament law of temple sacrifices etc, but rather repent of our sin and accept Jesus' sacrifice as the ultimate sacrifice for sin. No good deed we could ever do would make us righteous before God.
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Old 10-20-2008, 12:35 PM
 
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The law still convicts of sin.. however, no longer do we need to keep all the Old Testament law of temple sacrifices etc, but rather repent of our sin and accept Jesus' sacrifice as the ultimate sacrifice for sin. No good deed we could ever do would make us righteous before God.
Mat 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer [it to be so] now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

Mat 5:6 Blessed [are] they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled. Mat 5:10 Blessed [are] they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Mat 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed [the righteousness] of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Mat 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Mat 21:32 For John came unto you in the way of righteousness, and ye believed him not: but the publicans and the harlots believed him: and ye, when ye had seen [it], repented not afterward, that ye might believe him.

Apparently its pretty important for us to be righteous....


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Old 10-20-2008, 12:36 PM
 
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so are you now saying there are laws...but we dont have to keep 'certain laws' ?
Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

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Also, 'debtor' means you 'owe' something.
This is why the 'wages of sin is death'

You break a law and you must 'pay'.
Do you keep all the Old Testament laws? Why or why not?
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Old 10-20-2008, 12:41 PM
 
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Apparently its pretty important for us to be righteous....
I agree.. but what saves you?
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Old 10-20-2008, 12:48 PM
 
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Again...you're taking Romans 8:2 out of context.

You must read the last part of what you quoted. It's not talking about shellfish, eating pigs, etc

My lifestyle, personals beliefs, etc are not the subject of this thread.

If you have a comment about Old Testaments laws then that would be on topic. thanks

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Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Do you keep all the Old Testament laws? Why or why not?
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Old 10-20-2008, 12:50 PM
 
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I agree.. but what saves you?
Jesus said on two different occasions... "thy faith hath saved thee".


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