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Old 10-20-2008, 01:48 PM
 
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Are you saying Jesus died for the sins of Abraham?
Jesus died for all sin.. this included sins in under the old law that had already been "atoned for" by blood sacrifice. This blood sacrifice pointed to Christ. There is no salvation by any other, and if Christ had not come, all the Old Testament sacrifices would have been in vain.
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Old 10-20-2008, 01:49 PM
 
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So did Jesus die for Abraham? Moses? Jacob?

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Jesus died for all sin.. this included sins in under the old law that had already been "atoned for" by blood sacrifice. This blood sacrifice pointed to Christ. There is no salvation by any other, and if Christ had not come, all the Old Testament sacrifices would have been in vain.
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Old 10-20-2008, 01:51 PM
 
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So did Jesus die for Abraham? Moses? Jacob?
He died for everyone. The old law did not save... it simply convicted of sin and pointed to Christ, the Redeemer promised from the foundation of the world.
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Old 10-20-2008, 01:54 PM
 
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So reading this verse...how can we say it 'came' to Abraham?

Are you now saying that we don't need to 'receive or accept' the promise...?

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Romans 5:18 disagrees with you:

"In conclusion, just as through one transgression condemnation came upon all, so through one righteous act acquittal and life came to all."

Or do you have a different definition of "all" than I do?
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Old 10-20-2008, 01:55 PM
 
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He died for everyone. The old law did not save... it simply convicted of sin and pointed to Christ, the Redeemer promised from the foundation of the world.
CG81 is correct about Jesus died for everyone including Adam, When God told Adam He will send the perfect sacrifice which is why Eve thought Cain was the promised seed.

Very interested to know what else we don't agree on, the law and.........(to be continued)
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Old 10-20-2008, 01:58 PM
 
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So reading this verse...how can we say it 'came' to Abraham?

Are you now saying that we don't need to 'receive or accept' the promise...?
"Abraham had faith in God, and it was counted to him for righteousness"

God's people in the Old Testament were responsible to be obedient to God's law, just as God's people (every believer) must be obedient to the Holy Spirit today. To become a child of God and receive the inward covenant we must repent and forsake our sins.
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Old 10-20-2008, 01:59 PM
 
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Are you saying Jesus died for the sins of Abraham?
I'm not saying anything of the sort. I'm merely trying to clarify what others are saying here, using their book as a reference.
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Old 10-20-2008, 02:00 PM
 
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Very interested to know what else we don't agree on, the law and.........(to be continued)
What do you believe is the place of the Old Testament law today? Do you still keep it in fullness?
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Old 10-20-2008, 02:06 PM
 
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What do you believe is the place of the Old Testament law today? Do you still keep it in fullness?
Nope because most were not meant for the Gentiles-example Paul's huge quarrel with Peter and the other apostles dealing with Gentiles having to practice Judaism rituals such as circumcision etc....in order to be saved.

I follow the the Commandments that carried from the OT.

(Deuteronomy 6:5)
5"And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might." which Jesus repeats in (Matthew 22 37:40)

Jesus bringing up the 10 commandments to the rich young ruler. Only 9 of the 10 commandments make it into the NT. The "Sabbath" was dropped.
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Old 10-20-2008, 02:06 PM
 
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sorry i was referring that post to the OP not you.

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I'm not saying anything of the sort. I'm merely trying to clarify what others are saying here, using their book as a reference.
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