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Old 10-22-2008, 07:43 AM
 
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I realize they are NOT directly from the Bible but were formed early in the church as unifying statements of faith and because, even then, there was disagreement on what the scriptures were saying and the church was trying to stay as one.

I find they push me to not focus on one part of my faith more than another and go off too much on tangents. I was wondering what role if any they played in others' lives. I know they are widely used in many denominations, but I think not in others. Sometimes they are more challenging than others.

If you are not used to them remember the word catholic is catholic, not Roman Catholic. catholic means "universal"

The Apostles Creed - typically said at Baptisms and Confirmations
The Nicene Creed - bypically said on Communion Services
The Athanasian Creed - typically said on Trinity Sunday
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Old 10-22-2008, 07:47 AM
 
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The churches of Christ that I am a member of have no creed except the Bible.
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Old 10-22-2008, 07:49 AM
 
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i realize they are not directly from the bible but were formed early in the church as unifying statements of faith and because, even then, there was disagreement on what the scriptures were saying and the church was trying to stay as one.

I find they push me to not focus on one part of my faith more than another and go off too much on tangents. i was wondering what role if any they played in others' lives. I know they are widely used in many denominations, but i think not in others. Sometimes they are more challenging than others.

if you are not used to them remember the word catholic is catholic, not roman catholic. Catholic means "universal"

the apostles creed - typically said at baptisms and confirmations
the nicene creed - bypically said on communion services
the athanasian creed - typically said on trinity sunday
exactly!! I don't have a problem with any of them, they are good Christian doctrine except for a few issues like "the apostles creed" that states Jesus went to hell, now it's not heresy but we really don't know
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Old 10-22-2008, 08:07 AM
 
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exactly!! I don't have a problem with any of them, they are good Christian doctrine except for a few issues like "the apostles creed" that states Jesus went to hell, now it's not heresy but we really don't know
That particular statement varies. Some say "he descended to the dead"
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Old 10-22-2008, 08:26 AM
 
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The Apostles Creed is used in most mainline Protestant and the RC Church, the wording is slightly different between the various denominations, however, the belief the Apostles Creed expresses is the same.

The Nicene Creed is considered by a key part of Christianity and is basically an ecumenical statement of faith widely used by nearly all branches of Protestants and the Roman Catholic Church.

Neither one of these creeds as some people mistakenly think is meant to replace anything in the Bible; rather they are statements of faith and beliefs.

The Athanasian Creed, also known as the "Trinitarian Creed" by some basically communicates essential points of the Bible...that God's Son and the Holy Spirit are one with the Father, and that Christ is true God and true man in one person.

Other than being statements of my faith and beliefs, I have never really thought about what role they play in my life.
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Old 10-23-2008, 12:43 AM
 
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I like to use the so-called Apostle's Creed, the earliest of the Creeds, traceable to the mid 100's, as an introduction to other Christians that want me to tell them what I believe. It is important today as it was to the earliest Christians to understand Jesus died and while dead, as a spirit, went to realms the English language hireling translators paste the word "hell" over.

In the book of Jonah in the Bible it says after Jonah died and went to hell forever he prayed and God saved him. Jesus said that no sign would be given a wicked and perverse sign-seeking generation but the sign of the prophet Jonah "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." (Matthew 12:40)

After Jesus died on the cross Peter says He preached to the spirits in prison that had been disobedient in the days of Noah. "For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; Which sometime were disobedient (no longer disobedient means their prison was working), when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water." (1 Pet 3:18-20, AV) Unlike the idea that God loves you until you die or that death is determines destiny, it is definitely taught by God's own word that: "For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit." (1 Pet 4:6, AV)

That all creeds in the first 500 years of Christianity only teach Jesus is coming to judge the living and the dead, rather than ceaseless torture for ever, is one significant proof, though by no mens the only proof, that the ultimate salvation of all was the predominant view of the Church thoughout the world in that period of time. Only as Institutional Christianity became more apostate and this-worldly did such a slanderous view of our Lord become theirs.
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Old 10-23-2008, 09:32 AM
 
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In the Reformed churches I've visited, they used the apostles creed at baptism. Continuing a tradition like that in the present day is pretty cool.

Though my background isn't liturgical, creeds serve a couple of functions

1) remind me of the unity of the church around these issues. Regardless of views of sacraments, worship, politics, etc...if we're on the same page as these words, then you're my brother/sister

2) It's a concise summary of biblical doctrine. How do you explain something like the bible in few words? The nicene creed is a good start.

3) Reciting it in church or elsewhere connects me to christians from the past. Sometimes I'll recite it and think "Calvin, Luther, Augustine and Ambrose also said these very words" It reminds me that the church extends not just across the world, but across time too.

Check out the song "Creed" by Rich Mullins. It's the Apostles creed set to song, and how I first got introduced to creeds.
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Old 10-23-2008, 11:17 AM
 
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I like to use the so-called Apostle's Creed, the earliest of the Creeds, traceable to the mid 100's, as an introduction to other Christians that want me to tell them what I believe. It is important today as it was to the earliest Christians to understand Jesus died and while dead, as a spirit, went to realms the English language hireling translators paste the word "hell" over.

In the book of Jonah in the Bible it says after Jonah died and went to hell forever he prayed and God saved him. Jesus said that no sign would be given a wicked and perverse sign-seeking generation but the sign of the prophet Jonah "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." (Matthew 12:40)

After Jesus died on the cross Peter says He preached to the spirits in prison that had been disobedient in the days of Noah. "For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; Which sometime were disobedient (no longer disobedient means their prison was working), when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water." (1 Pet 3:18-20, AV) Unlike the idea that God loves you until you die or that death is determines destiny, it is definitely taught by God's own word that: "For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit." (1 Pet 4:6, AV)

That all creeds in the first 500 years of Christianity only teach Jesus is coming to judge the living and the dead, rather than ceaseless torture for ever, is one significant proof, though by no mens the only proof, that the ultimate salvation of all was the predominant view of the Church thoughout the world in that period of time. Only as Institutional Christianity became more apostate and this-worldly did such a slanderous view of our Lord become theirs.
Kudos, though I can't rep you.

I like the simple "creed" taken from one of Dennis Jernigan's songs:

I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ
Son of God, crucified - rose again
And I believe He is reigning in power
The King, victor over all sin

I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ
and the life - changing power of His blood
And I believe that without Him I'm nothing
Except by the power of His love
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Old 10-23-2008, 11:35 AM
 
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I guess the role in my life is they remind me of a part of my Christianity that is/not has/not been very important to me - and it does not let me forget the totality:

believe in God, the Father Almighty,
the Creator of heaven and earth,
and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord:
Who was conceived of the Holy Spirit,
born of the Virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried.
He descended into hell.
The third day He arose again from the dead.
He ascended into heaven
and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty,
whence He shall come to judge the living and the dead
.
I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy *catholic church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and life everlasting
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Old 10-23-2008, 12:56 PM
 
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The churches of Christ that I am a member of have no creed except the Bible.
That is my primary issue with these creeds.

The moment that you shift focus onto teaching a document that is not God's Word, than you are not teaching God's Word.

So many good men, pastors, ministers, theologians have gone before us. Faithful men, pious men, and yet they disagree, on nearly every point.

We start with God's Word. Some would add a bit here, others would subtract a bit there. At some point it is no longer God's Word.

I fail to see the huge urge to build a creed.
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