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Old 10-29-2008, 01:07 PM
 
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God-eating is pagan: E.G. Communion.. drinking Jesus' blood and eating his flesh! Sounds like a messed up ritual to me.

If you use your logic, no, we are not eating a dead person, cannibalism is eating a dead creature of the same species. Christ is alive and is a heavenly being.

And even the Roman Catholics, who have the most "cannibalistic" view of communion do not believe that the bread and wine convert in physical form to literal flesh and blood.

And if you are looking for LOGIC to explain Christianity, you cannot. God IS. It is a matter of faith.

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Old 10-29-2008, 01:10 PM
 
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ROFL

You almost had me there.

That was cute!

Within three sentences, you go from "we don't do that", to doing it.

A better example I could never show.

Beautiful!

LOL

So wrapped up in mary worship that you can not finish a paragraph denying it, without doing it.

Very cute, did you word that on purpose?

I'm still not seeing the Mary Worship thing you are speaking about, but let me put the "Mary Thing" into some REALLY simple terms for you (and I'll try to match your tone as well )- I will call her Blessed since if you take a look in your handy dandy Bible that all fundies seem to believe is 100%, you will see that an archangel says, "Hail Mary, Full of grace, blessed are thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of they womb." Now, if you also look at your handy dandy Bible, you'll see that Jesus was born of a Virgin. Now, let's put it together - Blessed Virgin Mary. OH MY GOD....ALL OF THAT CAME FROM THE BIBLE! But wait, I'm a Catholic, I thought I didn't read the Bible and I thought I was going to hell, so why would I bother? Oh, wait...that's another misconception that people have. As I said, please do some reasearch in NON PREJUDICE sources before attempting to speak on something you only think you know about. Thank you.
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Old 10-29-2008, 01:11 PM
 
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If you use your logic, no, we are not eating a dead person, cannibalism is eating a dead creature of the same species. Christ is alive and is a heavenly being.

And even the Roman Catholics, who have the most "cannibalistic" view of communion do not believe that the bread and wine convert in physical form to literal flesh and blood.
But you are performing a ritual that REPRESENTS a cannibalistic act.
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Old 10-29-2008, 01:17 PM
 
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Ok, Communion. Once again, please do some research. I do believe that a darn high number of mainstream Christian churches celebrate communion. Going back to that handy dandy Bible...there would be a verse in there when Jesus breaks the bread and says something to the effect of "take and eat, this is my body, which will be given up for you, do this in memory of me." Hmmm...isn't there another verse in there too where Jesus takes the cup and says something to the effect of "take this and drink, this is my blood which will be shed for you and for all so that sins may be forgiven, do this in memory of me." Some people believe in the Transubstantiation, but not everyone. Once again, please do some reasearch before speaking on something you only have a biased opinion on and not the facts.
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Old 10-29-2008, 01:22 PM
 
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Ok, Communion. Once again, please do some research. I do believe that a darn high number of mainstream Christian churches celebrate communion. Going back to that handy dandy Bible...there would be a verse in there when Jesus breaks the bread and says something to the effect of "take and eat, this is my body, which will be given up for you, do this in memory of me." Hmmm...isn't there another verse in there too where Jesus takes the cup and says something to the effect of "take this and drink, this is my blood which will be shed for you and for all so that sins may be forgiven, do this in memory of me." Some people believe in the Transubstantiation, but not everyone. Once again, please do some reasearch before speaking on something you only have a biased opinion on and not the facts.
When I was very little my mother told me that people had changed, and that when she was little people truly believed they were taking in the body and blood of Christ when they took communion. She groused that not everyone believed it any more, and she shamed me and scared me by saying that if I didn't "really" believe (this among other things) I would wind up in hell. So at least in my own circles, Transubstantiation was definitely taken literally by a majority until about the 1970s.

Also, as Logic pointed out, even if not literal, it's symbolic of that specific act: ingesting a human body. Isn't this what Halloween celebrants just took some flack for in my pumpkin thread? That as Christians, if you act out the part, even if you don't want it to be Satanic it must be because of what it symbolizes? (Also wrong on a few counts but covered previously, so I'll leave it at that.)

So why then is this symbolic act also not what it represents?

I'm not saying Communion makes Christianity bogus or anything. Quite the opposite, I'm saying Christianity and "paganism" are not anywhere near as far apart as some people wish them to be, at least in my observation.
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Old 10-29-2008, 01:24 PM
 
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I never said it wasn't in the bible. Jesus said the bread and wine were his body and blood. Eating bread that represents Jesus' body, and wine that represents blood, is representing eating flesh and blood of Jesus. I don't know how it could be interpreted differently, since Jesus said it himself. Of course some Christians don't think it's ACTUALLY blood and flesh, but they still say it REPRESENTS it. If I am missing some facts, please fill me in.
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Old 10-29-2008, 01:29 PM
 
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What communion represents is not a canibleistic act. It represents the Last Supper of Our Lord.
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Old 10-29-2008, 01:33 PM
 
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What communion represents is not a canibleistic act. It represents the Last Supper of Our Lord.
Yes. But it is the eating of someone's body. I (think?) that's the point here. Other religions that have ever involved sacrificing anything or anyone, etc. are often taken literally by the Christian community and used as evidence of barbarism...even though their own personal symbolism, too, equates to ultimate communion with god or gods. But they're rashly brought to their lowest common denominator and used as evidence of bloodthirstiness.

The double-standard is that the same people claiming these things say that their own "gross" practices, even if only symbolic, are not gory, evil, etc. But that others' are.

And to tie in to the OP, yes, absolutely, non-Christians (and maybe even undecideds and just plain historians) would classify the eating and drinking of someone's body and blood as a practice on the same level as certain (ancient) pagan practices.

Again, I'm not downplaying Christianity as every bit as real as non-Christian religions are to non-Christians. But if you're trying to say Christianity has no pagan elements because you're "not really" eating somebody's flesh--just talking about it and putting something in your mouth--then you are really reaching here.
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Old 10-29-2008, 01:38 PM
 
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Logic intends to divide and conquer.

We can use this to come closer to our Christian bretheren of all denominations - It is the SPIRT of Christ we are consuming - and search on transubstantion for an explanation from the Catholic point of view, but they explain it that way too if you actually study it. I am not RC, but Lutheran and we still believe the real presence of Christ during the communion, but it is a spiritual presence. We do differ from RC's on the meaning of Holy Communion.

John 6
Jesus the Bread of Life

25When they found him on the other side of the lake, they asked him, "Rabbi, when did you get here?"

26Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, you are looking for me, not because you saw miraculous signs but because you ate the loaves and had your fill. 27Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. On him God the Father has placed his seal of approval."
28Then they asked him, "What must we do to do the works God requires?"
29Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."
30So they asked him, "What miraculous sign then will you give that we may see it and believe you? What will you do? 31Our forefathers ate the manna in the desert; as it is written: 'He gave them bread from heaven to eat.'[c]"
32Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, it is not Moses who has given you the bread from heaven, but it is my Father who gives you the true bread from heaven. 33For the bread of God is he who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world."
34"Sir," they said, "from now on give us this bread."
35Then Jesus declared, "I am the bread of life. He who comes to me will never go hungry, and he who believes in me will never be thirsty. 36But as I told you, you have seen me and still you do not believe. 37All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. 38For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. 39And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all that he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. 40For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day."
41At this the Jews began to grumble about him because he said, "I am the bread that came down from heaven." 42They said, "Is this not Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How can he now say, 'I came down from heaven'?"
43"Stop grumbling among yourselves," Jesus answered. 44"No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day. 45It is written in the Prophets: 'They will all be taught by God.'[d] Everyone who listens to the Father and learns from him comes to me. 46No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father. 47I tell you the truth, he who believes has everlasting life. 48I am the bread of life. 49Your forefathers ate the manna in the desert, yet they died. 50But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which a man may eat and not die. 51I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world."
52Then the Jews began to argue sharply among themselves, "How can this man give us his flesh to eat?"
53Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him. 57Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. 58This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your forefathers ate manna and died, but he who feeds on this bread will live forever." 59He said this while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum.

Many Disciples Desert Jesus

60On hearing it, many of his disciples said, "This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?"
61Aware that his disciples were grumbling about this, Jesus said to them, "Does this offend you? 62What if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before! 63The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit[e] and they are life. 64Yet there are some of you who do not believe." For Jesus had known from the beginning which of them did not believe and who would betray him. 65He went on to say, "This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled him."
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Old 10-29-2008, 01:39 PM
 
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But if you're trying to say Christianity has no pagan elements because you're "not really" eating somebody's flesh--just talking about it and putting something in your mouth--then you are really reaching here.
That's not what I was trying to say and I'm sorry if I iplied such.
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