Pagan influence in christianity (Torah, Buddhism, Jehovah, hell)

[meerkat2]

Interesting website

http://www.iahushua.com/ST-RP/tfr3.htm

Please read and comment.

[Submariner]

Yes and?

[bluepacific]

Originally Posted by meerkat2

Interesting website

III-The Final Reformation

Please read and comment.

Actually much of the info was very accurate. What is interesting is that the History Channel also had much of this information back around the Christmas season of 2005. They dealt with the subject of the "Three Wise Men" of the nativity scene. They were in actuality from Babylon and were the Pagan Priests of the pagan religion of Astrology. Some Bible translations call them "Magi" (where we get the word 'magic') and other translations call them "Astrologers". The program pointed out that of all the nations of the time period, only the nation of Israel rejected Astrology. Why?

Obviously it was started as an opposing religious belief to that of the true religion of Noah and his family. As your website stated, both Babylon and Nineveh were created by Noah's great-grandson Nimrod. The rabbinic writtings derived the name Nimrod from the Hebrew verb ma radh´, meaning "Rebel". This name of his is explained more detailed in the Encyclopedia of Biblical Interpretation

"Why, then, was he called Nimrod? Because he stirred up the whole world to rebel (himrid) against His (God's) sovereignty."

But I guess everyone knows the rest of the story with the confussion of languages at the Tower of Babel.

Here's another website with similiar info on Ancient Babylon and the Revelation - Babylon the Great.

The Two Babylons--Alexander Hislop

[Submariner]

Defining the distinctions between Mainstream Christianity [with it's Greek influences, Roman and pagan influences];
and a Historically-Accurate, Biblically-based, God-focused, Christianity.

Is a big difference.

[little elmer]

Semi OT, but the history channel is replaying The Bible Code: Predicting Armageddon, how that the ancient texts have been decoded to reveal much of our recent history has been documented in the Torah - such as WWII, the Wright Bros flight, Kennedy's assassination, 9-11 and more.

5:00 eastern today.

[grannynancy]

forestbeekeeper, Yes, the mainstream church is a lot more fun and we don't take ourselves toooo seriously, though many in our faith have given their lives to defend it and to serve God.

[meerkat2]

Originally Posted by bluepacific

Actually much of the info was very accurate. What is interesting is that the History Channel also had much of this information back around the Christmas season of 2005. They dealt with the subject of the "Three Wise Men" of the nativity scene. They were in actuality from Babylon and were the Pagan Priests of the pagan religion of Astrology. Some Bible translations call them "Magi" (where we get the word 'magic') and other translations call them "Astrologers". The program pointed out that of all the nations of the time period, only the nation of Israel rejected Astrology. Why?

Obviously it was started as an opposing religious belief to that of the true religion of Noah and his family. As your website stated, both Babylon and Nineveh were created by Noah's great-grandson Nimrod. The rabbinic writtings derived the name Nimrod from the Hebrew verb ma radh´, meaning "Rebel". This name of his is explained more detailed in the Encyclopedia of Biblical InterpretationBut I guess everyone knows the rest of the story with the confussion of languages at the Tower of Babel.

Here's another website with similiar info on Ancient Babylon and the Revelation - Babylon the Great.

The Two Babylons--Alexander Hislop

Thanks for your reply,

On the website, probably another page than what I linked to they talk about the names of Jesus and Christ and God and that those have roots in pagan worship and were adopted more because they were easy for pagans to relate to - just out of curiosity do you use Yahuweh/Yahushua or Jesus/God?

Jesus/Yahushua said he came in his fathers name and was not received but if someone will come in his own name him you will receive. His Fathers name is not God that is a title for any god. Yahushua means Yah is salvation - names meant things to the hebrews also to Jesus/Yahushua, he renamed several people.

http://www.iahushua.com/ST-RP/glory.htm#"JESUS"

Before we continue with our study of the word Iesous and Iesus, we would like to point out that we have been led to believe that the correct Name is Yahushúa. He said in John 5:43, "I have come in My Father's Name". Again, in John 17:11 He prayed to His Father, "... keep them through Your Name which You have given Me" -according to the Nestle-Aland Greek New Testament, the United Bible Societies' Third Edition, and the Majority Text - all of which are over-whelmingly accepted today as being far more reliable than the Textus Receptus. Therefore, in John 17:11 Yahushúa states that His Father's Name had been given to Him. Again He repeats this irrefutable fact in the next verse, John 17:12, "...in you Name which You gave Me. And I guarded them (or it)." See the footnote on these two verses in teh Revised Authorised Version. Read also John 17:11-12 in any of the modern English versions. So, we have Yahushúa's clear words, in three tests, that His Father's name was given to Him. Paul also testifies to this in Ephesians 3:14-15. What then is His Father's Name? Although most scholars accept "Yahúweh " and many still cling to the older form "Yehowah" (or Jehovah), we are convinced that the correct form is Yahúweh.1,6

Two factors contributed greatly to the substitution and distortion of Yahushúa's Name. The first was the un-Scriptural superstitious teaching of the Jews that the Father's Name is not to be uttered, that it is ineffable, that others will profane it when they use it, and that the Name must be "disguised" outside of the temple of Jerusalem.182 Because of the Father's name being in His Son's Name, this same disastrous suppression of the Name resulted in them (? the Greeks) giving a Hellenised, in fact a surrogate name for Yahushúa. he did warn us in John 5:43, "I have come in My Father's Name ... if another comes in his own name, him you will receive." The second factor was the strong anti-Judaism that prevailed amongst the Gentiles, as we have already pointed out. The Gentiles wanted a saviour, but not a Jewish one. They loathed the Jews, they even loathed the The Mighty One of the Old Testament. Thus, a Hellenised Saviour was preferred. The Hellenised theological school at Alexandria, led by the syncretising, allegorising, philosophying, Gnostic-indoctrinated Clement and Origen, was the place where everything started to become distorted and adapted to suit the Gentiles. The Messianic Faith, and its Saviour, had to become Hellenised to be acceptable to the Gentiles.

[Towhee]

Originally Posted by forest beekeeper

Defining the distinctions between Mainstream Christianity [with it's Greek influences, Roman and pagan influences];
and a Historically-Accurate, Biblically-based, God-focused, Christianity.

Is a big difference.

Right on !!!

[Huckleberry3911948]

americans have just discovered black magic, the occult and paganism, and bek it is new to them they think it is wonderful. kind of like a young pretty girl that goes on a joy ride with some bangbangers she met at school, she thinks they are going to go to some place where its fun and exciting but they have a different plan.

[JerZ]

Originally Posted by Huckleberry3911948

americans have just discovered black magic, the occult and paganism, and bek it is new to them they think it is wonderful. kind of like a young pretty girl that goes on a joy ride with some bangbangers she met at school, she thinks they are going to go to some place where its fun and exciting but they have a different plan.

That's not true. Unless by "just" you mean a revival at least two hundred years ago of "rituals" and "spells" blended with prayers that had only just ended in about 1700 anyway (as the Black Death was dying down). Europeans brought over their "superstitious" beliefs with them...as well as stories about monsters, ghosts, etc. and even pagan blend stories like King Arthur.

It's somewhat more mainstream now, but name me the European-originated family that didn't have a Grandma who just knew that if you rubbed a potato on your wart under a full moon, the wart would go away; or that bread started on a Sunday would fall flat rather than rising; or that if you saw certain things or ate certain foods your unborn child would have a defect that mirrored it. Or believed in "banshees" and other supernatural beings. Or told fairytales about witches and monsters and magic.

Now if you're talking about neopaganism--with an actual spiritual panthenon--yes, that's somewhat newer. It's only about 50 years old now. (Where's that rolling-eyes emoticon?) So if you can count that as new...particularly to those of us who aren't even 50 yet, and therefore never saw it as "the new thing"...Anyway, let's not forget that Christianity is one of the newest mainstream religions by comparison. It's far predated by Judaism (obviously), it's predated by Hinduism, it's predated by spiritual (but not necessarily god-centric) growth systems like Buddhism. And at one time Christianity was brand-new. The same compassion I'm sure you wish your fellow Christian was shown at that time, would come in VERY handy here with this newer paganism-as-a-religious-base period. I should hope we all have come a bit farther than we were 2000 years ago. And is it particularly "Christian" to spread misinformation about and talk down another's beliefs?

How would you feel about Christianity being called a flash in the pan and being compared to the new hot chick in school that everybody wanted to --- but that it would wear off eventually?

I'm seeing this utter disrespect and incredibly uncharitable attitude on the JW thread, too. Have some respect, please.