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Old 10-31-2008, 02:07 PM
 
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On this topic of prophet's names, here's yet another example, and a question: it is my understanding that the name "Jesus" is also Anglicized (Engli-cized?)....that it's a translation into English. (In Spanish they pronouce it "hay-soos"). Anyway...that one of the original pronunciations of Jesus was..."Yeshua".(yeh-shoo-a) Should that name have not been translated, but left to sound exactly like the original tongue? I just feel a little funny...with the thought that we might be inadvertantly changing His name...


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Old 10-31-2008, 03:50 PM
 
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On this topic of prophet's names, here's yet another example, and a question: it is my understanding that the name "Jesus" is also Anglicized (Engli-cized?)....that it's a translation into English. (In Spanish they pronouce it "hay-soos"). Anyway...that one of the original pronunciations of Jesus was..."Yeshua".(yeh-shoo-a) Should that name have not been translated, but left to sound exactly like the original tongue? I just feel a little funny...with the thought that we might be inadvertantly changing His name...


Bud
Fear not - without going into a long story, indigenous tribal people have been known to call Him by various names until (if) they were "corrected" by missionaries - but the people and missionaries were united in spirit, so there was no argument, just united praise.
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Old 10-31-2008, 09:31 PM
 
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Ancient Hebrew people named their kids European names??

So when did they start using Arabic names?

Didn't Islam start in the same area of the world around the same timeframe? Mohammed was a name used back then and today. Islamic history seems to have alot of Persian and Arabic style names. And they were in direct conflict with Christians who were in the same area. Odd.

Still dunno why they are always depicted as White people tho. Is that in the translation too?
Paul, James, John, etc are translations of their names. All the events recorded in our "english translations" of scripture have been historically proven. Never in scripture are the apostles depicted as white men. Only by the catholic and modern day lutheran churches. But understand, all they did is take their God-given resources and, by, the inspiration of God, translate the written word into a language that we understand. both the NIV and the King James versions were translated from the Greek + Hebrew into english. Belief in God has always been a matter of faith. If you do not believe Jesus and in Jesus then no matter what you believe, you remain in your sins.

We would not even know what sin is had it not been for the scripture of the bible. To be saved you have to have a sincere, genuine, unbreakable confidence in Jesus Christ. All that other stuff like what to wear, how to eat and drink, and everything else that cannot be located in new testament scripture is mere gibberish. No disrespect, but I really do not care what any pastor or anyone else believes outside of what the Holy Spirit reveals in me. When you focus on Christ, you get past all the pictures displaying Swedish looking disciples and messiah.


If Jesus looked like a Norwegian, he would not have been able to hide from Herod in Africa. Yes there is slight corruption in the images and pictures depicting biblical people. But the words of God are infallible. Do not fall for the foolishness of satan. He wants us to focus on everything but Christ. The very terms "white" and "black" in reference to people are corrupt. White symbolizes pure and black symbolizes evil. Their is no supreme race. That's that Adolph Hitler garbage. All races have the vast number of the individuals after their manner of appearance looking down on American-born Africans (blacks) as if we are the lowest of the low.

Many things concerning race and history remain misunderstood. Racist, prejudice whites rather not buy anything from blacks. In the genes of a racist white, African american men are still viewed as animals and property. This is why we are the least employed of all races.

If you are not racist, this will not anger you. Why else are middleeasterners able to set up shop in all our communities? Orientals, etc are more accepted then the decendants of slaves who built this nation working for little or nothing. It is no wonder we see pictures of the messiah looking like a German without a haircut. Even in politics, we are duped into thinking Mccain and Palin will stop abortion or gay marriage. Did Bush stop it? no. Palin is rebellious, inexperienced, and excuse me for this, kinda slutty. Mccain is the furthest candidate from Christian in this whole entire political year. Clearly Obama, although not perfect himself, is the better candidate. But, he is half black, which most will not come out and say but they view that as a strike against him.

Mccain will bankrupt this nation. He agreed with Bush 90 percent of the time. This is the ideology that leads to the transformation of biblical people into caucasian culturized characters. If we all do not learn to stop being narrowminded and see things for how they really are we will never improve our society.
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Old 10-31-2008, 09:44 PM
 
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Paul, James, John, etc are translations of their names. All the events recorded in our "english translations" of scripture have been historically proven. Never in scripture are the apostles depicted as white men. Only by the catholic and modern day lutheran churches. But understand, all they did is take their God-given resources and, by, the inspiration of God, translate the written word into a language that we understand. both the NIV and the King James versions were translated from the Greek + Hebrew into english. Belief in God has always been a matter of faith. If you do not believe Jesus and in Jesus then no matter what you believe, you remain in your sins.

We would not even know what sin is had it not been for the scripture of the bible. To be saved you have to have a sincere, genuine, unbreakable confidence in Jesus Christ. All that other stuff like what to wear, how to eat and drink, and everything else that cannot be located in new testament scripture is mere gibberish. No disrespect, but I really do not care what any pastor or anyone else believes outside of what the Holy Spirit reveals in me. When you focus on Christ, you get past all the pictures displaying Swedish looking disciples and messiah.


If Jesus looked like a Norwegian, he would not have been able to hide from Herod in Africa. Yes there is slight corruption in the images and pictures depicting biblical people. But the words of God are infallible. Do not fall for the foolishness of satan. He wants us to focus on everything but Christ. The very terms "white" and "black" in reference to people are corrupt. White symbolizes pure and black symbolizes evil. Their is no supreme race. That's that Adolph Hitler garbage. All races have the vast number of the individuals after their manner of appearance looking down on American-born Africans (blacks) as if we are the lowest of the low.

Many things concerning race and history remain misunderstood. Racist, prejudice whites rather not buy anything from blacks. In the genes of a racist white, African american men are still viewed as animals and property. This is why we are the least employed of all races.

If you are not racist, this will not anger you. Why else are middleeasterners able to set up shop in all our communities? Orientals, etc are more accepted then the decendants of slaves who built this nation working for little or nothing. It is no wonder we see pictures of the messiah looking like a German without a haircut. Even in politics, we are duped into thinking Mccain and Palin will stop abortion or gay marriage. Did Bush stop it? no. Palin is rebellious, inexperienced, and excuse me for this, kinda slutty. Mccain is the furthest candidate from Christian in this whole entire political year. Clearly Obama, although not perfect himself, is the better candidate. But, he is half black, which most will not come out and say but they view that as a strike against him.

Mccain will bankrupt this nation. He agreed with Bush 90 percent of the time. This is the ideology that leads to the transformation of biblical people into caucasian culturized characters. If we all do not learn to stop being narrowminded and see things for how they really are we will never improve our society.
As a Norwegian-Swedish American Lutheran, I have to say that you're an anti-Scandite. End the hate and stop trying to keep my people down.
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Old 10-31-2008, 10:16 PM
 
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My name in English is Joe. In Spanish it is Jose. I have absolutely no problem with that.

YASHUA in Hebrew (transliterated), is JESUS in English. Each language has the correct translation for the name of Messiah YASHUA. The LORD is pleased with that. Let's don't confuse folks.

We all know JESUS was born humanly a Jew. We know that Jews are usually not light skinned. OK. No problem. What's the deal?
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Old 03-10-2009, 08:20 PM
 
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Why do mideastern men of 2000 yrs ago have European names?

Peter, Paul, Matthew, etc. Why not Ahmed, Ibin, etc? Names of the area they lived in.

And why are they always depicted as Caucasians?
Here's some interesting facts about Jacob's wife and their son Esau. For what they're worth:

Ge 24:29 And Rebekah had a brother, and his name was Laban: and *Laban ran out unto the man, unto the well.

*Laban means white.

Ge 24:64 And Rebekah lifted up her eyes, and when she saw Isaac, she lighted off the camel.

Ge 24:67 And Isaac brought her into his mother Sarahís tent, and took Rebekah, and she became his wife; and he loved her: and Isaac was comforted after his motherís death.

21 And Isaac intreated the LORD for his wife, because she was barren: and the LORD was intreated of him, and Rebekah his wife conceived.

25 And the first came out red, all over like an hairy garment; and they called his name Esau who is also called Edom.

Edom means rosy, red, ruddy.
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