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Old 10-31-2008, 10:24 AM
 
Location: RV Park
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Here's what I just read:

Why I Cannot Vote For Obama :: WRAL.com

And Huntley Brown's follow up to people's reaction to his original article (scroll past original article).

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/huntleybrown.asp

Last edited by little elmer; 10-31-2008 at 11:36 AM.. Reason: addition

 
Old 10-31-2008, 11:44 AM
 
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Despite Barack Obama's approval of abortion and homosexual activism, new polling by a prestigious Christian research group indicates that the Democratic presidential nominee is making significant inroads among voters who are classified as "born-again" Christians.

Why 'born-again' Christians are backing Obama (OneNewsNow.com) (http://www.onenewsnow.com/Election2008/Default.aspx?id=303730 - broken link)
From the article....
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Kinnaman says it is important to keep in mind that only one in every ten voters is an evangelical Christian with a biblical worldview and understanding of what it means to be a follower of Christ.
 
Old 10-31-2008, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC (in my mind)
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From the article....


3 in 10 is actually a more accurate representation within the entire electorate. Within the younger generation, 1 in 10 or maybe even 20 is possible.
 
Old 10-31-2008, 12:34 PM
 
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This is the common misreprpesentation made by conservative christians who will only support republican candidates because of the abortion issue.

Let me ask you all this: Is greed, theft, embezzlement, blatant self-interest at others' expense, war mongering for profit, taking advantage of general laborers to protect fat cats' profit margins .... are any of these things any less sin than abortion?

Yet these are the ideals supported by conservative republicans who are suppossedly of higher moral caliber than the democrats. If you truly believe there is a hierarchy of moral righteousness between democrats and republicans, you need to take a closer look at the sins of both sides.
 
Old 10-31-2008, 01:04 PM
 
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I look at it like this. When you pickup a package of cigarettes.. you have options. Each pack of cigs has warning symbols:

1. SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING: Smoking Causes Lung Cancer, Heart Disease, Emphysema, And May Complicate Pregnancy.
2. SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING: Quitting Smoking Now Greatly Reduces Serious Risks to Your Health.
3. SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING: Smoking By Pregnant Women May Result in Fetal Injury, Premature Birth, And Low Birth Weight.
4. SURGEON GENERAL'S WARNING: Cigarette Smoke Contains Carbon Monoxide.

Now.. say I'm a male smoker.. and I'm looking at these packages of cigarettes.. do you think I'm going to pick the pack that has warning number 4? Heck no. Obviously cigarette smoke contains carbon monoxide. As a male I'm going to go with pack number 3.. why? because I'm a man and can't get preggo..

picking a candidate is the same.. you don't agree with them on everything.. so you pick the things that most relate to you.

8 years of failed economic policy with debt out of control and nothing to show for it except a new right leaning chief justice.. thats just a high price to pay in my opinion.
 
Old 10-31-2008, 01:05 PM
 
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3 in 10 is actually a more accurate representation within the entire electorate. Within the younger generation, 1 in 10 or maybe even 20 is possible.
But you don't "own" the word evangelical and you don't get to decide who is and is not a follower of Christ.
 
Old 10-31-2008, 01:06 PM
 
Location: RV Park
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This is the common misreprpesentation made by conservative christians who will only support republican candidates because of the abortion issue.

Let me ask you all this: Is greed, theft, embezzlement, blatant self-interest at others' expense, war mongering for profit, taking advantage of general laborers to protect fat cats' profit margins .... are any of these things any less sin than abortion?

Yet these are the ideals supported by conservative republicans who are suppossedly of higher moral caliber than the democrats. If you truly believe there is a hierarchy of moral righteousness between democrats and republicans, you need to take a closer look at the sins of both sides.
I agree entirely, that's why I voted Democratic in the primary - I'm as sick of the present administration as anyone. The old saying, "50 choices for Ms. America and only 2 or 3 for President" holds true once again.
 
Old 10-31-2008, 03:26 PM
 
Location: God's Country
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Why 'born-again' Christians are backing Obama......This one is NOT.
 
Old 10-31-2008, 05:39 PM
 
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I'm not backing either because both are jacked up.

Not really the thread for this but it's kind of on-topic ... I just saw another video on youtube lambasting the democrats blaming them solely for the housing and economic mess we are in right now ... the problem is the video only tells half the story ... the big deregualtion and expansion of subprime mortgages in the mid 1990s was indeed pushed by several democrats but was passed in a republican conrolled congress and it wasn't low income sub-prime mortgage recipients that blew things up ... it was the real estate speculators that took out interest only and variable rate loans on houses in the $400 K and up range hoping to make a killing on investments and resale of the property later on due to increasing property prices no longer being intimately tied to the rate of general inflation.

Both democrats and republicans are to blame, but the jist of the story is that the morally elite republicans have continually supported economic policy that contributes to the rapid accumulation of wealth in the hands of fewer and fewer people at the expense of general laborers who actually make a company run. Why? Because if you are not an entrepeneur or CEO ... you are not living the American dream and don't deserve to get paid a decent wage.

I've seen it first hand. I grew up in a republican controlled, very conservative state (Idaho). I moved to Oregon because I was able to double my salary and benefits for the same work even though the cost of living is only slightly higher. Why is this? Idaho is a right to work state that does not have strong labor union influence. Thus, business owners make all the money while they pay their employees wages as low as possible ... just enough to maintain a stable workforce and maximize their own profit at the expense of other people. This is about as far from following a "Christian" ideal as you can get. Would Jesus have supported this type of financial policy?

Conservative republicans have continuously fought against labor unions ... Bush tried to pass legislation to eliminate overtime and differential pay for public safety and other positions ... Why? So the government could make cops work 60 plus hours a week and not have to shell out as much dough in overtime or even provide time and a half compensatory time off for work over 40 hours. The concept is simple and undeniable: Not paying workers what they are worth so CEOs can get paid more than they are worth. I have made it a hobby to collect the stories over the last 20 years of all the business "so called" leaders who have gotten paid millions upon milions of dollars for failure ... for driving a company into bankruptcy and demolishing the retirement investments of thousands of people all so they could maximize the coin in their pockets. These same business leaders are the ones constantly on the hips and contributing to the campaigns of republican candidates that push for deregulation and holding these poeple even less accountable than they are now.

I'm not for abortion, the confiscation and redistribution of wealth, or many of the other liberal policies that so many socialist democrats like to support, but the conservative republican politician is just as sinful in his own way.

If you honestly believe republican candidates are on higher moral ground than the democrats, I suggest you do some research into their economic and political ties, their voting record, and who is funding their campaigns.

If value of human life is so important to conservative republicans, they sure don't show it in any other issue outside abortion.

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Old 11-01-2008, 07:19 PM
 
Location: St. Joseph Area
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Originally posted by Fighting For Air
This is the common misreprpesentation made by conservative christians who will only support republican candidates because of the abortion issue.

Let me ask you all this: Is greed, theft, embezzlement, blatant self-interest at others' expense, war mongering for profit, taking advantage of general laborers to protect fat cats' profit margins .... are any of these things any less sin than abortion?

If value of human life is so important to conservative republicans, they sure don't show it in any other issue outside abortion.
I agree completely. I've always voted for the Republicans because they were the "pro-life" party, but lately I've had to ask myself...if God is displeased by my voting for a pro-choice candidate...isn't he also displeased by voting for corrupt, warmongering candidates too? Won't I have to answer for both votes? No christian has been able to give me a good answer, except the old mantra that voting for a Democrat means you're not a good christian--or maybe not a christian at all (let's face it, most christians think this)--solely because of abortion. That's legalism pure and simple, and adds to the cross IMO.

So I've concluded that most Christians simply don't think that caring for the poor, or starting wars, or other issues matter very much--at least when it comes to politics. To me, that's wrong. All of these matter equally to me, the bible addresses them heavily. Now, I can't vote for the Democrats because I'm pro-life, but I can't vote for the GOP either...for the exact same reason. They are corrupt, immoral, and I will not vote for them again--as a christian, I will not have my witness compromised by voting for a bunch of hypocrites who claim to support "moral values" when they're just pandering for our votes, by sowing division among our people, and playing on our fears. I will not answer to God for a third vote for a party that has led us into an unnecessary war. I already have to answer for two.

Remember, the lesser of two evils is still evil, and we will answer for God for both.
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