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Old 11-05-2008, 12:59 PM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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Old 11-05-2008, 01:03 PM
 
Location: South Carolina
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Well Hallelujah!! Maybe not all hope is lost.
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Old 11-05-2008, 01:52 PM
 
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Old 11-05-2008, 03:24 PM
 
Location: Denver, Colorado U.S.A.
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Well Hallelujah!! Maybe not all hope is lost.
Now if we could just ban interracial marriage and legalize slavery...
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Old 11-05-2008, 03:44 PM
 
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Now if we could just ban interracial marriage and legalize slavery...
No kidding. This sticking nose into politics is just another nail in the coffin for religion period. Let'em stick their nose where it should'nt be. Their own Holy book condemns them for being part of this world.

The reality is, to a Christian it should'nt matter what any of the laws of any country allow. You can still be a Christian despite to direction of any country. That's why we have the faithful examples of the apostles and other early Christians who refused to dirty themselves by becoming involved with the politics of their day. They never tried or attempted to change the politics of Rome. Only after the death of the apostles and early Christian older men did such corrupt conduct come into vogue in the 2nd and 3rd centuries.

I say let'em go for it. The quicker the better.
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Old 11-05-2008, 05:03 PM
 
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Being a part of the world means becoming acclimated to its dictates of what is right and wrong, ignoring the biblical mandates set forth.

Your statement implies that Christianity's involvement in government is somehow subversive. However, it is within our rights as a citizen and is our duty as a Christian to vote against the sinful practices which are destroying this nation. If you wish to cite instances in the Bible, take any part of the Old Testament's dealing with Israel when they ceased to follow God. The nation fell and the people were spread. Sin is likened to leaven. Anybody who has made bread can tell you that the tiniest portion of yeast will eventually fill the whole. The difference between a 1/2 teaspoon and a whole is just a matter of hours, the result is the same. Sin cannot be tolerated in any amount. To do so is to give your silent approval.

To the world, our condemnation of sin appears as a condemnation of the sinner. In fact, many Christians can't differentiate between the two. But our responsibility to Christ remains.
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Old 11-05-2008, 05:25 PM
 
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No kidding. This sticking nose into politics is just another nail in the coffin for religion period. Let'em stick their nose where it should'nt be. Their own Holy book condemns them for being part of this world.

The reality is, to a Christian it should'nt matter what any of the laws of any country allow. You can still be a Christian despite to direction of any country. That's why we have the faithful examples of the apostles and other early Christians who refused to dirty themselves by becoming involved with the politics of their day. They never tried or attempted to change the politics of Rome. Only after the death of the apostles and early Christian older men did such corrupt conduct come into vogue in the 2nd and 3rd centuries.

I say let'em go for it. The quicker the better.
I'm surprised that in the secular state of Californication they even thought that changing the definition of Marriage to be going to far.

I lived there for 20 yrs of my life, in the OC no less.... i may move back one day. It may be coming back to its good senses.

godspeed,

freedom
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Old 11-06-2008, 01:14 AM
 
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Being a part of the world means becoming acclimated to its dictates of what is right and wrong, ignoring the biblical mandates set forth.

Your statement implies that Christianity's involvement in government is somehow subversive. However, it is within our rights as a citizen and is our duty as a Christian to vote against the sinful practices which are destroying this nation. If you wish to cite instances in the Bible, take any part of the Old Testament's dealing with Israel when they ceased to follow God. The nation fell and the people were spread. Sin is likened to leaven. Anybody who has made bread can tell you that the tiniest portion of yeast will eventually fill the whole. The difference between a 1/2 teaspoon and a whole is just a matter of hours, the result is the same. Sin cannot be tolerated in any amount. To do so is to give your silent approval.

To the world, our condemnation of sin appears as a condemnation of the sinner. In fact, many Christians can't differentiate between the two. But our responsibility to Christ remains.
Christians are citizens of God's Kingdom with Jesus Christ as it's King. This is why Paul used the term for Christians throughout the Roman Empire as "alien residents". He also said we are "ambassadors for Christ". We all know what that terminology means in our modern society. It is the same political involvement in all the various countries which has for centuries given so-called Christians a green-light for butchering and killing one another during times of national differences and conflict. It has hardly been a recommendation for outsiders to accept Christianity as a better way of life. The fruit of such disunity between Christians has resulted in a Secularist Europe which has no interest in Christendom whatsoever.

Fortunately this continued spiritual adultery won't be allowed to continue. The nation of Israel was a prime example of what happens to God's people when they went astray and formed alliances with outside nations rather than remaining chaste and loyal to God and looking to him for direction. Let that experience be a warning example of what's to come soon.

This man Obama who has just been elected could be the one who moves mankind towards this one world government to come into being. It will be the last to rule on this earth. This should'nt be shocking to any of you, since you have been taught to memorize the "LORD's Payer" or "Our Father Prayer". Remember, "Let your Kingdom come, let your will be done on earth as it is in heaven". You are praying for the removal or destruction of ALL man made government and the installation God's government with Christ Jesus as it's King. Sadly in the United States, the last stronghold of most of Christendom, this idea of the USA being done away with is so distasteful. Too bad, because it really should'nt be.

If you choose to support a democracy (government by man) as most of you do as being mankind's only hope for peace and security, then the voting outcome should be acceptable no matter what the choice. The idea is that it is a fair choice that the nation as a whole has freely voted, as opposed to a Fascist or communist government where leaders decide and citizens obey. If you don't like the outcome such as an Obama being elected President of the United States, then support a Theocracy (government by God) which is what you should have been doing in the first place. Then live life as Christ taught and patiently wait for God to step in and correct matters permanently. That time is almost upon us and the majority of mankind will be taken by surprise when it does.

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Old 11-06-2008, 01:24 AM
 
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I'm surprised that in the secular state of Californication they even thought that changing the definition of Marriage to be going to far.

I lived there for 20 yrs of my life, in the OC no less.... i may move back one day. It may be coming back to its good senses.

godspeed, freedom
One thing is for sure, living behind the "Orange Curtain" is not what it used to be. Fortunately it has never been allowed to morph into a sort of Christendom-Taliban State. Although I certainly don't believe in abortion, homosexuality, etc, I also believe that it's none of my business what others do. For that stance , even my life would be in jeopardy from an intolerant modern-day "Dark-Ages" enviornment.
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Old 11-06-2008, 08:48 AM
 
Location: SC Foothills
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Being a part of the world means becoming acclimated to its dictates of what is right and wrong, ignoring the biblical mandates set forth.

Your statement implies that Christianity's involvement in government is somehow subversive. However, it is within our rights as a citizen and is our duty as a Christian to vote against the sinful practices which are destroying this nation. If you wish to cite instances in the Bible, take any part of the Old Testament's dealing with Israel when they ceased to follow God. The nation fell and the people were spread. Sin is likened to leaven. Anybody who has made bread can tell you that the tiniest portion of yeast will eventually fill the whole. The difference between a 1/2 teaspoon and a whole is just a matter of hours, the result is the same. Sin cannot be tolerated in any amount. To do so is to give your silent approval.

To the world, our condemnation of sin appears as a condemnation of the sinner. In fact, many Christians can't differentiate between the two. But our responsibility to Christ remains.
Absolutely, Scamp!! Well said. Christians have a voice and we MUST use it to speak against sin. We have a responsibility.
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