Subjection to your husband (believer, quotes, blood, testament)

[alanMolstad]

Romans 8:2 (New International Version)

2because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death.


Once again, this verse in no ways counters anything I have written...LOL


The Good submissive Christian wife is not under the Jewish laws.
We are the new wine that the old wine skins could not hold!


Thus if this verse was aimed at being a counter to the words of Paul I have posted many times, it FAILS....LOL

[mari4him]

Alan... while I do agree and try to practice the golden rule of do unto other's as you would have them do unto you.... I'll remind you that scripture tells us in regards to our love for God that it is... we love because He first loved us.

See... God being the supreme authority was the initiator, not His bride/church.

To him whom much is given, much is required. Husband's are given much authority therefore, much more is required of them. As leaders, they are to be the initiator's.... Paul even gave it gave it in order, Husband's love your wives as Christ loves His church, wives submit to your husbands as unto the Lord. Notice, the husbands command is first.

You have to take all of scripture into consideration, not just select verses here and there. Again, God's character is reflected from Genesis to Revelation's, His will and desire for His people is found from Genesis to Revelations... Everything written pertains to all God's children, wives are not excluded from the rest of God's directions based on a couple verses here and there, which based on your interpretation and application of those select scriptures place a wife's husband as her God, almost above God.

Sorry, God is a jealous God and He does not share His place with anyone or anything so surely He would not command a woman to basically place her husband at God level with Him.

[mari4him]

Originally Posted by alanMolstad

The Good submissive Christian wife is not under the Jewish laws.
We are the new wine that the old wine skins could not hold!

Ohhh but Alan... Sarah, wife of Abraham, who called him Master was under Jewish Law and you have stated quite a few time how she is the example we should follow calling our husband's "Master"....

So are we under Jewish laws and customs or are we not. You can't have it both ways you know.

I have but ONE Master and that is my Lord and Savior.

[Asheville Native]

Originally Posted by alanMolstad

An idea that has no support in the Bible and runs counter to the Golden Rule.

The Golden Rule you have that gall to mention the golden rule in a thread where you defend treating a woman as a slave or worse?

And I'm going to take a stab at the fact that you don't even slightly see the conflict between those concepts, both from the same book you base everything from

[I LOVE NORTH CAROLINA]

I've said this before on this subject, submission is often misunderstood. It does not mean becoming a doormat. Submission is rarely a problem in homes where both partners have a strong relationship with Christ and where each is concerned for the happiness of the other.

[alanMolstad]

Originally Posted by mari4him

. no where in that scripture does it say "because"

If you will please note the use I made of quotation marks to make sure my reader understood what part of my post was a direct quotation of the Bible, and what part was my introduction of the quotation...

Lets look at my statement one more time-

Now here we have a great example of the type if Christian attitude that a wife should have.
"Wives be subject to your husbands"...why?, because it "is fitting in the Lord"

Do you see how I make good careful use of quotation marks to show the reader what part of my post is a direct quotation?

This shows you that Im not adding to the Text at all!!

In fact , I went out of my way to make sure that everyone reading it would understand what part is a direct quote, and what part is a narration introduction of my own...

And I think that everyone reading my post will catch on to my intent, as it is clear enough..

Well to "almost" everyone that is...

[alanMolstad]

We farher see the seriousness of the need for wives to submit to their husbands in-

Titus 2:4-5 (NASB)
"that they may encourage the young women to love their husbands, to love their children, to be sensible, pure, workers at home, kind, being subject to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be dishonored.

This teaches that wives that do not place themselves under the subjection of their husbands actually dishonor God's WORD!

[mari4him]

Originally Posted by I LOVE NORTH CAROLINA

I've said this before on this subject, submission is often misunderstood. It does not mean becoming a doormat. Submission is rarely a problem in homes where both partners have a strong relationship with Christ and where each is concerned for the happiness of the other.

AMEN and AMEN.

Where there is Christ as Lord over the husband, wife, children, etc. Where there is love to cover all, where there is genuine concern for the all around well being of each member of the household, including emotional, spiritual, psychological, etc. and where there is respect towards one another regardless of gender, status, or whatever, submission is not a problem for submission is as the Apostle Paul prefaced that entire text with submitting to one another.

[mari4him]

Originally Posted by alanMolstad

If you will please note the use I made of quotation marks to make sure my reader understood what part of my post was a direct quotation of the Bible, and what part was my introduction of the quotation...

Lets look at my statement one more time-

Now here we have a great example of the type if Christian attitude that a wife should have.
"Wives be subject to your husbands"...why?, because it "is fitting in the Lord"

Do you see how I make good careful use of quotation marks to show the reader what part of my post is a direct quotation?

This shows you that Im not adding to the Text at all!!

In fact , I went out of my way to make sure that everyone reading it would understand what part is a direct quote, and what part is a narration introduction of my own...

And I think that everyone reading my post will catch on to my intent, as it is clear enough..

Well to "almost" everyone that is...

Yes Alan, I understand very well the use of quotations and what is direct quote or what is not, however, what you added as an "introduction" is not an introduction but your opinion on your interpretation of what the scripture means and making that the gospel truth, which it is not.

[alanMolstad]

Originally Posted by mari4him

Ohhh but Alan... Sarah, wife of Abraham, who called him Master was under Jewish Law and you have stated quite a few time how she is the example we should follow calling our husband's "Master"....

Look it up... 1 Peter 3:6 "like Sarah, who obeyed Abraham and called him her master. You are her daughters if you do what is right and do not give way to fear".
I quoted the New Testament!
The instruction to look at Sarah as being a true example of a women with the correct respect for her husband is in 1st Peter 3:6

Go check it out...

So, I am correct in pointing all wives to the person of sarah who was not shy to call her husband her "Master"

Now in today's world, the term "Master" has a slightly bad context, however there is nothing wrong with the use of the terms "Lord" or "Sir" for more intimate settings....

Therefore as I have now proved, my post was concerning the New Covenant that all Christians and their wives are under...