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Unread 11-14-2009, 08:25 AM
 
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For man was not made from woman, but woman from man.

Neither was man created for woman, but woman for man.

 
Unread 11-14-2009, 08:27 AM
 
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Older women likewise are to be reverent in behavior, not slanderers or slaves to much wine.

They are to teach what is good, and so train the young women to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled, pure, working at home, kind, and submissive to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be reviled.
 
Unread 11-14-2009, 08:40 AM
 
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To "submit", means to give over or yield to the power or authority of another.


On the other hand...To obey , means to comply with or follow the commands, restrictions, wishes, or instructions of someone else.

As you can see by my definition, submission is a far greater thing than obedience.

Submission requires love.
You have to truly love and respect to be willing to yield another.

But simple Obedience doesn't require any personal relationship between the one giving the "command" and the one obeying the command.

This is why the marriage vow clung to by some to "obey" is not all that great a thing to vow.

To Submit shows the true values of the wife, and how much she values her husbands role in the home.

God Bless the submissive wife!
 
Unread 11-14-2009, 08:43 AM
 
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Read it carefully now. Too bring under control..... Just like a good doggy! To make amenable to the discipline of a superior... Just like a good doggy. Superior....hmmmm let's think about it. If the wife is the one submitting to discipline (which is ridiculous to say a wife needs to be disciplined by her husband) then she is INFERIOR to his SUPERIORITY. I don't make up the definitions.
No offense DaniMae - but while you "don't make up the definitions", you do misinterpret them.

Since you aren't grasping the meaning of this teaching in the Bible why not just let it go?

As is so typical, too many of us just don't "get it" and waste so much time arguing over semantics when all we are supposed to do is love God and love one another
 
Unread 11-14-2009, 08:44 AM
 
Location: Little Elm, TX
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Alan, I think we agree that the "head" of the marriage is not just the "boss", but the compass that can either lead the team to still waters, or raging seas - he's the leader by God's design, but he's not necessarily the wisest of the two. It must be a joint effort in pursuit of God's plan for their lives.

This boasting of who's the boss is irrelevant and childish, imo - it's a place of ministry and responsibility, and when taken seriously there's humility.
 
Unread 11-14-2009, 08:49 AM
 
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Alan, I think we agree that the "head" of the marriage is .
a lot of girls get mixed up as to the meaning of the term "Head"...(as used in this context)

Think not of a human body...
I dont want you thinking that the "Head" spoken of as being the husband is like the head of a body that sits on top of the trunk of the body.

That is the wrong image to have in your mind.

The correct image is to think of the "headwaters" of a river....
That is the more correct understanding of the term as used in this context.
"head- waters"
 
Unread 11-14-2009, 08:53 AM
 
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Think "leader" as in where he goes, the marriage will end up there also. For better or worse, as they say.
 
Unread 11-14-2009, 08:58 AM
 
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Now how shall a wife say that her husband is her "source" or her "head"?

What image should se have in mind when she thinks about this idea?
What tune shall she humm?

This one-

YouTube - Peter Paul and Mary: Paul Stookey, The Wedding Song

He is now to be among you at the calling of your hearts
Rest assured this troubadour is acting on his part
The union of your spirits here has caused him to remain
For whenever two or more of you are gathered in his name
There is love, there is love

Well a man shall leave his mother, and a woman leave her home
They shall travel on to where the two shall be as one
As it was in the beginning and is now until the end
A woman draws her life from man and gives it back again
And there’s love, there is love


And then what’s to be the reason for becoming man and wife
Is it love that brings you here or love that gives you life
For if loving is the answer then who’s the giving for
Do you believe in something that you’ve never seen before
Oh there’s love, there is love

And then what’s to be the reason for becoming man and wife
Is it love that brings you here or love that gives you life
For if loving is the answer then who’s the giving for
Do you believe in something that you’ve never seen before
Oh there’s love, there is love
 
Unread 11-14-2009, 08:59 AM
 
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For man was not made from woman, but woman from man.

Neither was man created for woman, but woman for man.
Alan, alan, you are clearly defending the indefensible. Number one you have reverted to screaming (bold text), the first side that the belief that loud makes right when nothing else does. Your anger is palatable.

You have three short screaming posts in a row, you are just lashing out in all directions with your screams, again a sign your point is indefensible, and loud is the basis of being right.

You refuse to listen to any reason, you refuse to discuss the matter with any logic, just scream disconnected passages.

In all the wonders you see in your god, do your truly believe in your heart that he dictated that you treat your partner in life as a second class person? Rhetorical question I know, but really dude how do you also resolve the conflict between that and the golden rule?
 
Unread 11-14-2009, 09:30 AM
 
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Alan, I think we agree that the "head" of the marriage is not just the "boss", but the compass that can either lead the team to still waters, or raging seas - he's the leader by God's design, but he's not necessarily the wisest of the two. It must be a joint effort in pursuit of God's plan for their lives.

This boasting of who's the boss is irrelevant and childish, imo - it's a place of ministry and responsibility, and when taken seriously there's humility.
little elmer you are spot on,as the English would say.
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