Subjection to your husband (belief, sin, Holy Spirit, bible)

[Naturen]

Originally Posted by twin.spin

But Jesus is God and is male. And God is very involved, whether you believe or not.

Jesus was male and therefore cannot be God.

[DaniMae1]

Originally Posted by noland123

So you want to make your husband feel like a second rate person by you being head of household.

For one thing...who said anything about my household? We co-run it. Second thing...you see what you just said?! Me being a female would make my husband second rate if I ran the household....that is EXACTLY how it makes women feel! So I guess it perfectly okay to make a woman feel like that? Nice.

[alanMolstad]

Originally Posted by DaniMae1

The thread on wives submitting to their husbands got me thinking about 1 Peter 3:1 (Likewise ye wives, be in subjection to our own husbands)

The Lord had no problem submitting to his parents...

did this mean he was lesser than they in Gods eyes?
no...

In the eyes of God and the church, all are equal.
But in position within the family the wife is under the authority of her protecting husband.

[katjonjj]

Originally Posted by Naturen

Jesus was male and therefore cannot be God.

Perhaps he was 100% male and 100% female...

[katjonjj]

A joke to lighten things up...
God was sorting out those who had died and he said, "make two lines of men. The first line is for those who's wives led the family and the second line for those men who led the family... When God saw that the first line was enormous yet the second line only contained one man, he said, "I want to congratulate you! How is it that you managed to lead your family when all these in the other line did not? The one man in the second line said, "I don't know.. my wife told me to stand here!"

HEHEHHEHHE Smile!

[alanMolstad]

In matters concerning our salvation, there is no difference between male and female.

but in matters of the home, there is a clear ranking of authority.
The husband should be the guidance, the wife the helper...

[Sundance]

Jesus was male and therefore cannot be God.

Jesus was God, and is God. He was 100% human, for He was tempted in all ways as we are; yet without sin.

He was also 100% God. And remains so.

[mercy777]

Originally Posted by Harold Kupp

Wives:

Gen 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.


1Co 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.


Eph 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.


Eph 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

Eph 5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.


Col3:18 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.

Tit 2:5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

1Pe 3:1 Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;

1Pe 3:6 Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well,

Husbands:


Eph 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

Eph 5:33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself;

Eph 5:28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies.

Eph 5:29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:

1Pe 3:7 Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.

Just an addition....

Ephesians 5:21Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.

[Huckleberry3911948]

the entire concept of dominating or being dominated is so very unfair, fairness to me is a primary god quality, sense of principle. it just rubs me wrong.

[mari4him]

Originally Posted by little elmer

my wife submits and resists as my submission to the Lord comes and goes.

I think this sums it up.

Most women have no problem walking side by side with their husbands, even showing deference here and there to the direction their husbands feel is best for their family. This is usually as a result of good communication, both husband and wife being heard, the Lord's will being sought through prayer and a husband's willingness to submit to Christ, even if it means giving up his own desires, his own will.

Most women, however, do have a problem with an attempt at dictatorship or orders to defer to a husband's selfishly motivated demands and having things his way. Usually a result of poor communication, husband speaks commanding to be heard, respected and obeyed, while wife is neither heard, nor respected for what she may have to share. Husband rarely checks his attitude with the Lord or seeks prayer in making decisions he wants lorded over everyone else. When he fails to be willing to submit to Christ, giving up his own desires, yet commands and expects wife to submit to him, giving up her desires, because it is as commanded by God and she is non-submissive or disobedient if she doesn't.

In other words, when the husband is seeking to take God's place in her life because he is man, she is woman.

The reality is no such dominion of man over woman was established at creation, in the garden, by God. It was not God's original plan for marriage. God was very clear about dominion. Adam and Eve together were to take dominion over everything, while not each other. God listed those things to them and never once (in the garden before the fall) did God establish this dominion/rulership of the man over the woman. Adam and Eve were to rule together, jointly, as one. A marriage fashioned after God's design is one which adheres to the principle of being one, submitting to one another out of reverence and love for God, as well as, love for one another.

Scripture tells us two are better/stronger than one. Where one is weak the other is strong, as iron sharpens iron, if one falls down the other is there to help them up, edifying and uplifting one another, etc. This is, or should be, the blessedness of marriage, not about one being better, stronger, more in control, dominate, etc. over the other based on their gender. We are called to walk together, a house divided cannot stand. Marriage is not a follow the leader, but a union of two, becoming one.

Scripture says when a man finds a wife, he finds a good thing and favor with the Lord, NOT someone to dominate and rule over. Scripture says husbands love your wives as Christ loved the church, NOT husband's rule over your wives bringing them into all obedience. Scripture says, husbands live with your wives, honoring them as joint heirs in the kingdom, that your prayers may not be hindered, NOT live with your wives with all authority over her, ruling her.

And, before anyone tosses in the rest of 1 Peter 3:7 classifying her as the "weaker vessel", that has nothing to do with authority or Eve being deceived. In the Greek, vessel was a very commonly used word/metaphor used for "body". And, as far as weaker/weak, throughout scripture men are described as weak also. Was Adam also not weak? Did he not fail to take dominion over the serpent, choosing to disobey God's direct command to him?

While a woman's body "may" be weaker, she is made up of much more than just body/flesh, she is body, mind, spirit, soul. Hence, a wife may just be spiritually more mature in the Lord, better versed scripturally speaking, emotionally stronger, intellectually wiser on particular subjects, financially more savvy, etc. However, if her husband is so busy trying to rule/have authority that he is so busy lording over her, he fails to allow her to move within her gifts and thereby hinders her from being that "helper" God created her to be in his life. And, in so doing, may be the biggest hindrance to himself.