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And when I think, that God, His Son not sparing,
Sent him to die, I scarce can take it in;
That on the Cross, my burdens gladly bearing,
He bled and died to take away my sin.
Then sings my soul, My Saviour God, to Thee,
How great Thou art, How great Thou art.
Then sings my soul, My Saviour God to Thee,
How great Thou art, How great Thou art.
When Christ shall come, with shout of acclamation,
And take me home, what joy shall fill my heart.
Then I shall bow, in humble adoration,
And then proclaim: "My God how great Thou art!"
Then sings my soul, My Saviour God, to Thee,
How great Thou art, How great Thou art.
Then sings my soul, My Saviour God to Thee,
How great Thou art, How great Thou art.
Here's food for thought: What happens to us while we are sleeping? Do you know the most dangerous times of our lives is when we are asleep? Do you really "think" that it's your alarm clock that wakes you up?
This reminded me of a wonderful sermon that I heard many years ago about the resurrection, and how our sleep is likened to the resurrection. Just as God wakes us each morning from physical sleep, one day He will wake us from death and cause us to rise, as we rise each morning. When we receive immortal bodies we will no longer be under the sleep of death. God bless.
This reminded me of a wonderful sermon that I heard many years ago about the resurrection, and how our sleep is likened to the resurrection. Just as God wakes us each morning from physical sleep, one day He will wake us from death and cause us to rise, as we rise each morning. When we receive immortal bodies we will no longer be under the sleep of death. God bless.
Hey Shana,
When Christ was crucified, He went down to preach to the spirits of the dead from the time of Adam and forward. He took the keys to hell and death from Satan and preached the gospel to those that were dead.
Hi Freedom, hope you are doing well I believe that they are asleep because they are dead. But they will one day be made alive. This is why it is described as sleep. Death is not a permanent condition. I believe that the spirit returns to God upon death, but I do not believe that it is a conscious existence. I do not believe that they are aware or alert.
Acts 2:29
"Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you, of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried and his sepulchre is with us unto this day."
Acts 2:34
"For David is not ascended unto the heavens.."
I believe that Jesus preached to the spirits who are in prison, who were once disobedient figuratively, meaning that the good news is for all men, even for those who were once disobedient. And I believe that they who were formerly disobedient, will one day respond to the good news and return to the Creator. (1 Peter 4:4-6)
The resurrection is the key because if there is no resurrection of the dead, even those who have died in Christ have perished. (1 Cor. 15) Jesus died and was raised to life, so this is our hope.
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They are asleep and will remain so until the coming of our Lord Jesus.
Amen. When they/we awake it will be as if no time has passed. Those who are sleeping (dead) do not know that they are sleeping. (dead)
God bless.
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I believe that they are asleep because they are dead. But they will one day be made alive. This is why it is described as sleep. Death is not a permanent condition. I believe that the spirit returns to God upon death, but I do not believe that it is a conscious existence. I do not believe that they are aware or alert.
Acts 2:29
"Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you, of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried and his sepulchre is with us unto this day."
Acts 2:34
"For David is not ascended unto the heavens.."
I believe that Jesus preached to the spirits who are in prison, who were once disobedient figuratively, meaning that the good news is for all men, even for those who were once disobedient. And I believe that they who were formerly disobedient, will one day respond to the good news and return to the Creator. (1 Peter 4:4-6)
The resurrection is the key because if there is no resurrection of the dead, even those who have died in Christ have perished. (1 Cor. 15) Jesus died and was raised to life, so this is our hope.
Amen. When they/we awake it will be as if no time has passed. Those who are sleeping (dead) do not know that they are sleeping. (dead)
I could recommend some good books about life after death.
It is the physical body of course that rots in the grave until the resurrection, not the "ghost in the machine", the spirit that animates and integrates our physical bodies while they live.
David's "sepulchre", the temple of his spirit while he lived, his physical body, was still in the grave, it had not yet been resurrected. That says nothing about his spirit being dead or "sleeping" as you apparently propose.
What about the thief on the cross beside Jesus? The dying Savior did not say to the thief that he would go to "sleep", he said he would be with Him that day, in paradise. What about the scriptures I quoted in my earlier post? Where do you come up with the notion that there is no life after death?
Hi, I do not have the notion that there is no life after death. I believe that when we are resurrected, we are made alive and that this is when believers obtain immortality. Please see 1 Corinthians 15. My beliefs come from the scriptures, CTR1dotOrg. I believe that our spirits return to God and that the when we die, the body and soul dies. The person is described as sleeping because death is temporary, not permanent. I believe that the belief that the soul is immortal and that is goes immediately to heaven upon death, denies the purpose of the resurrection. I have shared on other threads that the thief going to Paradise does not necessarily mean that the thief went to Paradise that exact day since no one knows were the commas are to be placed in the verse. God bless.
Acts 2:29
"Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you, of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried and his sepulchre is with us unto this day."
Acts 2:34
"For David is not ascended unto the heavens.."
I am in agreement with this statement
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For believers, death is swallowed up in victory when Jesus Christ returns and raises the dead and transforms the living. See 1 Cor 15:54-57. The teaching that man is inherently immortal robs Jesus Christ of glory that belongs to Him for it is only through Him and His saving work that man receives immortality.
1 Timothy 6
13I charge thee, before God, who is making all things alive, and of Christ Jesus, who did testify before Pontius Pilate the right profession,
14that thou keep the command unspotted, unblameable, till the manifestation of our Lord Jesus Christ,
15which in His own times He shall shew -- the blessed and only potentate, the King of the kings and Lord of the lords, 16who only is having immortality, dwelling in light unapproachable, whom no one of men did see, nor is able to see, to whom [is] honour and might age-during! Amen. (YLT)
I believe that believers receive immortality when we are resurrected to die no more. Jesus, the Son of God and the son of man, the firstborn from the dead has immortality now.
God bless.
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Hi, I do not have the notion that there is no life after death. I believe that when we are resurrected, we are made alive and that this is when believers obtain immortality. Please see 1 Corinthians 15. My beliefs come from the scriptures, CTR1dotOrg. I believe that our spirits return to God and that the when we die, the body and soul dies. The person is described as sleeping because death is temporary, not permanent. I believe that the belief that the soul is immortal and that is goes immediately to heaven upon death, denies the purpose of the resurrection. I have shared on other threads that the thief going to Paradise does not necessarily mean that the thief went to Paradise that exact day since no one knows were the commas are to be placed in the verse. God bless.
Acts 2:29
"Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you, of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried and his sepulchre is with us unto this day."
Acts 2:34
"For David is not ascended unto the heavens.."
I am in agreement with this statement
For believers, death is swallowed up in victory when Jesus Christ returns and raises the dead and transforms the living. See 1 Cor 15:54-57. The teaching that man is inherently immortal robs Jesus Christ of glory that belongs to Him for it is only through Him and His saving work that man receives immortality.
God bless.
Thanks for expounding on your point of view. It seems to me that the scriptures you refer to are referring to the physical body, not to the spirit body. David is "both dead and buried" the same way anyone else who is dead is "both dead and buried", their PHYSICAL body that is.
But I agree with you that in the resurrection the spirit and physical body are reunited and become immortal from that point on, the physical therefore never again needing to suffer the pangs of death, the spirit never having that capacity except as shared in awareness of the death of the physical.
I see no evidence in the scriptures that it is the spirit that "sleeps" as you suggest, I think those references are all to the physical body that is temporarily deprived of the presence of the spirit body that gives it life.
Resurrection is for all because of the atonement of Jesus Christ. Do you think that Christ was "sleeping" during the three days that His body lay in the tomb prior to the resurrection? I think not, His spirit was active in the spirit worlds among the spirits of those whose physical bodies were dead. He had not yet ascended to the Father.
Is Christ not the Great Exemplar? Should our lives not be patterned after His?
Hi, thank you and thank you for sharing your point of view. I don't believe that the spirit sleeps, but I do believe that the person is described as sleeping, which means that the person is dead. I don't believe that the spirit is conscious but is the invisible part of man that returns to God upon death. I believe that the person sleeps in the sense that death is only temporary, and just as we rise from sleep, we will rise from death. I believe that Jesus actually died and that His spirit returned to God. He actually died, but this is described as sleeping. I believe that He preached to the imprisoned spirits figuratively. I believe that God raised Him to life, as He was the firstborn from the dead. We will be raised just as He was. He alone has immortality now.
Acts 2:29
"Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you, of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried and his sepulchre is with us unto this day."
Acts 2:34
"For David is not ascended unto the heavens.."
If David is not ascended into the heavens, where is he? He is both dead and buried.
When the body is dead, the person is dead. Jesus had a literal body with both flesh and bones when He revealed Himself to His disciples after the resurrection. God bless.
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The state of the spirit after the death of the body.
I understand that it is most likely that the majority of people reading this post believe that the books that were chosen from among many by councils of men to include in the book we call the "Bible" are the final word of God to man. But for those who have an open mind and are sincerely hoping to learn more about what happens when we die, here is a pertinent quote from The Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ:
"11 Now, concerning the state of the soul between death and the resurrection—Behold, it has been made known unto me by an angel, that the spirits of all men, as soon as they are departed from this mortal body, yea, the spirits of all men, whether they be good or evil, are taken home to that God who gave them life.
12 And then shall it come to pass, that the spirits of those who are righteous are received into a state of happiness, which is called paradise, a state of rest, a state of peace, where they shall rest from all their troubles and from all care, and sorrow.
13 And then shall it come to pass, that the spirits of the wicked, yea, who are evil—for behold, they have no part nor portion of the Spirit of the Lord; for behold, they chose evil works rather than good; therefore the spirit of the devil did enter into them, and take possession of their house—and these shall be cast out into outer darkness; there shall be weeping, and wailing, and gnashing of teeth, and this because of their own iniquity, being led captive by the will of the devil.
14 Now this is the state of the souls of the wicked, yea, in darkness, and a state of awful, fearful looking for the fiery indignation of the wrath of God upon them; thus they remain in this state, as well as the righteous in paradise, until the time of their resurrection."
When one dies they are awake and alert...more so than when they were in their physical bodies.
They see clearly without denial.
The Spirit never sleeps. Jesus was refering to the body sleeping when He spoke of Lazarus.
This is a popular teaching of man or the church. However,what does the scripture say? God made man out of the dust of the earth and breathed into him the breath of life (spirit) and then what happened? Man BECAME a living soul. The reverse happens when we die. The body goes back to where it came ( earth)...the spirit or breath of life goes back to where it came (GOD)..and man ceases to live. The spirit is the breath from God. It was not living before it entered man`s body. For man to be a living soul he needs the breath of life and a body. When Christ resurrects man he will bring with him the breath of life or spirit of the man and reunite it with man`s body so we will live again. Much is made of the resurrestion in the bible. If we are all happy,loving,praising,talking,singing in heaven after we die then what`s the need for a resurrection? Were you happy in heaven before you were born on this earth? You didn`t become alive until the breath of life or spirit entered your physical body. That spirit or breath of life was not conscious of anything before it was united with your body and after it leaves your body it will not be conscious of anything until it is once again reunited with your body at the resurrection. You will be in an unconscious state just like sleep until that glorious day! But the good news is...when you are awakened it will only seem like a second in time has passed. Just like when you sleep and then awake....it really doesn`t seem like any time has passed. So whether someone died 2000 yrs ago or 2 days ago it will seem like no time has passed. Your last thought will be what happened right before you closed your eyes at your physical death. If you died in a loved ones arms then when you awake at the resurrection that will seem like it just happened. That is what I believe to be scripturally accurate.
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I believe that they are asleep because they are dead. But they will one day be made alive. This is why it is described as sleep. Death is not a permanent condition. I believe that the spirit returns to God upon death, but I do not believe that it is a conscious existence. I do not believe that they are aware or alert.
The state of the spirit after the death of the body.
