Christmas-A Christian Holiday? (agnostic, atheists, faith, experience)

[alicenevada]

[quote=Verna Perry;6603580]

Originally Posted by mzjamiedawn

Yes, that IS what I am saying. " The last book of the New Testament is, in part, a prophetic enigma. But a portion of the book of Revelation provides clear and compelling guidance for our astronomical investigations. The Apostle John wrote the book as an old man while in exile on the island of Patmos. Perhaps the austerity of this exile or a lack of companionship left him time to ponder the sky. Whatever reason, Revelation is full of star inagery. In Chapter 12, John describes a life and death drama played out in the sky: the birth of a KING!...A great and wonderous sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon inder her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head..."..end... It was a constellation!...anyway, for the full story, go to my new thread..."God still speaks to us today..." and read it!

Woops, but they didnt visit him at his birth. They visited him in a house. So he could have been all of two years old by this time.

[MysticPhD]

Originally Posted by bluepacific

There is no doubt that the powerful force behind the star , was certainly not the Almighty God behind the Bible.

Draw your own conclusions who was really behind the star

There is a lot less doubt in my mind about who would be behind ANY effort to create DOUBT about God providing a heavenly sign to proclaim Jesus' birth and existence among us! THAT would seem to serve a very different spiritual purpose.

[alicenevada]

Originally Posted by juj

While we use the basis of the old covenant, the true Christian context, which Jesus declared, is the new covenant. Move on already!

God's standards, however, remain the same. As is evident on his feelings of 'mixing Christ with Belial' or 'light with darkness', right?

[mzjamiedawn]

[quote=alicenevada;6603637]

Originally Posted by Verna Perry

Woops, but they didnt visit him at his birth. They visited him in a house. So he could have been all of two years old by this time.

Absolutely true.

Oh and Verna, you are the first person I've ever heard proclaim they actually believe Jesus was born on December 25. First time for everything!

[bluepacific]

Originally Posted by StirringWaters

I was going to stop at my last post, but I just have to ask something. Why would we want to doubt the power of God? Why would we want to doubt that He put that star in the sky to bring in men and make them believers?

My God is all powerful and capable of all. I don't have to understand the whys.

Because in this instance it does'nt jive with the facts or the truth. No ones trying to disrupt anyone's good time or fun. But the truth at some point is going to have to mean something.

Beware of the Angel of Light.

BibleGateway.com - Passage Lookup: 2 Corinthians 11:14-15;

A sincere study of God's word the Bible would help the reader conclude that God Almighty would never make it easy for wicked men to destroy his son. Certainly God never directed these men using a demonic religious source such as Astrology, something he has condemned and warned to his own covenant people Israel against over and over again and again.

Just meditate on that

[MysticPhD]

Originally Posted by bluepacific

Because in this instance it does'nt jive with the facts or the truth. No ones trying to disrupt anyone's good time or fun. But the truth at some point is going to have to mean something.

What is secular and historical truth has NOTHING to do with what is symbolic and spiritual truth . . . secular history is of the world . . . spirituality is not.

[juj]

Originally Posted by alicenevada

God's standards, however, remain the same. As is evident on his feelings of 'mixing Christ with Belial' or 'light with darkness', right?

Do you have to circumsise baby boys? Do you eat shell fish or pork? Do you worship on Saturday?

[alicenevada]

Originally Posted by juj

Do you have to circumsise baby boys? Do you eat shell fish or pork? Do you worship on Saturday?

I'm not talking about the Mosaic law...I'm talking about principles. And the 'dark and light' comment shows that God still felt the same in the NT about exclusive devotion that he did in the Old.

[alicenevada]

Originally Posted by blue62

I have to say that Alice is very good at giving movie reviews..This is from another thread I think she is very good and quite the performer
http://www.city-data.com/forum/6598960-post705.html

haha...I just saw this. Thanks,blue. Never thought of myself as a 'performer'.

[bluepacific]

Originally Posted by MysticPhD

[/b]What is secular and historical truth has NOTHING to do with what is symbolic and spiritual truth . . . secular history is of the world . . . spirituality is not.

Perhaps you'll find this video interesting. It takes some bit of time , but very fascinating. I have no idea who the organization of researchers is , but make sure you have the time to view it. Almost like a History Channel episode.

http://tellingthetruth.50webs.com/4-4.html