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Old 07-30-2009, 11:15 AM
 
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To deny the truth of eternal punishment is to deny Christ in a roundabout way. Since Christ came to save sinners, he came to save them from SOMETHING. And for something. If there is no eternal damnation, then Christ's sacrifice is pointless. It would also make him wrong.
Hi the wages of sin is death, not eternal hell. Jesus came to save us f out of sin and death. This is what He saves sinners out of. God bless.

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Old 07-30-2009, 11:20 AM
 
Location: Charlotte, North Carolina
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Too many No's going around

God doesn't reveal everything IMPORTANT to His prophets.
Daniel is a perfect example

You state that hell is for ALL MEN according to the bible.
Please share book/chapter/verse or passage

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NO. scripture calls the lake of fire, second death.



as the whole bible is God's word, why should God hide such an important subject, and not even reveal it to the prophets?



NO. hell (sheol) is the temporay destination of all men according to the bible.
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Old 07-30-2009, 11:23 AM
 
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read it in the context it's being used...it's not speaking about physical death

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Hi the wages of sin is death, not eternal hell. Jesus came to save us from sin and death. This is what He saves sinners out of. God bless.
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Old 07-30-2009, 11:24 AM
 
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You state that hell is for ALL MEN according to the bible.
Jacob, Job, Hiskia, they all expected to go to hell (sheol), David seems still to be in hell (Acts 2), I understand the biblical hell of course not to be a place of conscious torment.

you'll find enough references here:

The Exact Nature of Sheol, Hades and Hell.
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Old 07-30-2009, 11:25 AM
 
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read it in the context it's being used...it's not speaking about physical death
Hi, I am. Jesus came to save us out of sin and death, not eternal hell. God bless.
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Old 07-30-2009, 11:25 AM
 
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Not looking to read a book to find out you're wrong

You state according to the bible ALL men...so please point WHERE it says that.

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you'll find enough references here:

The Exact Nature of Sheol, Hades and Hell.
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Old 07-30-2009, 11:30 AM
 
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that would make no sense

that would mean everyone is saved

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Hi, I am. Jesus came to save us out of sin and death, not eternal hell. God bless.
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Old 07-30-2009, 11:33 AM
 
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Everyone will be saved, renriqu02. God bless.
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Old 07-30-2009, 11:36 AM
 
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i dont think so.

Also...are you saying Jesus had sin?
Jesus died on the cross....

Wages of sin is physical death (according to you)

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Everyone will be saved, renriqu02. God bless.
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Old 07-30-2009, 11:40 AM
 
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Gen. 37:34.35, also Gen. 42:37.38 and Gen. 44:29-21

And Jacob rent his clothes, and put sackcloth on his loins, and mourned for his son many days. And all his sons and all his daughters rose up to comfort him, but he refused to be comforted, and said, For I will go down to my son into Sheol mourning.

Jacob expected to go to hell when he dies, he also expected Joseph to be there.

Job 14:13

Oh that thou wouldest hide me in Sheol, that thou wouldest keep me secret until thine anger be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me, …

Job prayed to be hidden in hell

Isaiah 38:9-11

The writing of Hezekiah king of Judah, when he had been sick and had recovered from his sickness: I said, In the meridian of my days I shall go to the gates of Sheol: I am deprived of the rest of my years. I said, I shall not see Jah, Jah in the land of the living. With those who dwell where all has ceased to be, I shall behold man no more.

Hezekiah expected to go to hell and cease to exist as it seems to me, Job 3 seems to refer to sheol alike.

(Quotes from Darby)

Ecclesiastes 9:10 (Douay Rheims)

Whatsoever thy hand is able to do, do it earnestly: for neither work, nor reason, nor wisdom, nor knowledge shall be in hell, whither thou art hastening.

this seems to apply universally to all men, good and evil alike

a similar view is held in the apocrypha

Sirach 41:1-5 (KJV)

O death, how bitter is the remembrance of thee to a man that liveth at rest in his possessions, unto the man that hath nothing to vex him, and that hath prosperity in all things: yea, unto him that is yet able to receive meat! O death, acceptable is thy sentence unto the needy, and unto him whose strength faileth, that is now in the last age, and is vexed with all things, and to him that despaireth, and hath lost patience! Fear not the sentence of death, remember them that have been before thee, and that come after; for this is the sentence of the Lord over all flesh. And why art thou against the pleasure of the most High? there is no inquisition in the grave (Greek: Hades= hell), whether thou have lived ten, or an hundred, or a thousand years.

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