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I know you didn't ask me, but I have to say that this is a good point. I'll admit I don't really hold a position either way. Until coming to this board, I had never heard of preterism so am now starting to study it for myself. I have nothing constructive to add to this thread but wanted to say that I got saved when I stumbled upon the show Jack Van Impe Presents late one night. I watched a few times, and everything he said regarding end times and scripture made sense to me. I then went out and bought a Bible and started reading it and remember very clearly reading Matthew 24. I was familiar with the teachings through the JVI program but had never actually read it myself. My first thought was, "How funny that it sounds like Jesus is addressing His disciples but He's really addressing us!" I never gave it a second thought till coming to this board. Now I plan to really study it for myself.
Lucy
What a great attitude toward the Scriptures, Lucy! You're a good Berean! I look forward to your sharing the results of your study!
I would encourage you to pay close attention to Matthew 24:15. Much is made today about a future abomination of desolation, but Jesus is clearly saying to those disciples right there with Him that they were to see it!
If we let the words say what they say, we can't go wrong.
Well put Preterist.
While I think your interpretation of Scripture/history is topsy-turvy, I don't consider you a heretic.
Neither your views nor mine repudiate Christ or His salvation to each of us who believe.
I believe it's taught all through out the Bible. Read 1 Thess 4:17 John 14:2-3, Reve 3:10, Matt 24:40-41, Jude:14. Think about it, God loves His children too much to let us go through the horrible things that are going to occur during the tribulation, people think things are bad now, this is a piece of cake compared to what's coming and I know that I won't be here. Keep studying Sherry, ask the Lord to reveal the answers to you and He will.
As a type,God put his OT people through the 40 year wilderness trial before they entered their promised land.Many died on the way (many through unbelief).They did not bypass the wilderness to get to the promised land.The wilderness was used by God to teach his people to rely on him as their God.
Did God love them any less for putting them through the wilderness?
I believe it's taught all through out the Bible. Read 1 Thess 4:17 John 14:2-3, Reve 3:10, Matt 24:40-41, Jude:14. Think about it, God loves His children too much to let us go through the horrible things that are going to occur during the tribulation, people think things are bad now, this is a piece of cake compared to what's coming and I know that I won't be here. Keep studying Sherry, ask the Lord to reveal the answers to you and He will.
ILNC it's a shame you don't use that same principle regarding eternal Hell.
I believe it's taught all through out the Bible. Read 1 Thess 4:17 John 14:2-3, Reve 3:10, Matt 24:40-41, Jude:14. Think about it, God loves His children too much to let us go through the horrible things that are going to occur during the tribulation, people think things are bad now, this is a piece of cake compared to what's coming and I know that I won't be here. Keep studying Sherry, ask the Lord to reveal the answers to you and He will.
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ILNC it's a shame you don't use that same principle regarding eternal Hell.
Just a thought
Just as importantly, she misses the process Jesus told us we would undertake as followers of Him. He was crucified!
Just as importantly, she misses the process Jesus told us we would undertake as followers of Him. He was crucified!
Yes we learn obedience through the things we suffer .
God loves us to much to put us through tribulation , but as no problem sending the lost(because that is what they are) to eternal tormented hell, that makes tribulation look like a stroll in the park.
I have always believed that most of Revelation has been fulfilled. With so much talk about the rapture and end times in here lately, I would like for someone, anyone, to tell me what it is they believe the rapture is, and why they feel they will know when Jesus will return.
Thanks!
The word rapture simply means to be "caught up". God says we, who are living, will be "caught up" at the appointed time 1 Thessalonians 4:17
The problem you may be having is that many of the opinions being voiced here are primarily millenniumists, which until recent years (comparatively speaking) has been considered false teaching. Here's why.
If a person proclaims that 1 Thessalonians 4:17 is not part of the "last day", the one and only return of the Lord....then he\she is predicting his return by simple math, whether or not it is acknowledged.
Millenniumism bases some the events of Revelation literally, while other parts not.
Millenniumism has a ever changing current event secenerio...people through out the centuries was sure that that event must be it, be that a calender change (70 - 1000 - 1200 - 1500 - 2000AD) or a plague, war or dust bowl.
Millenniumism has produced many good seller books, movies
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The rapture is part of the first resurrection (which happens at the end of the Trib. and before the Mill.- it is for those who are alive and remain at the coming (parousia) of our Lord.
Jesus will return at the end of the tribulation - this is clear in the Scriptures.
The word rapture simply means to be "caught up". God says we, who are living, will be "caught up" at the appointed time 1 Thessalonians 4:17
The problem you may be having is that many of the opinions being voiced here are primarily millenniumists, which until recent years (comparatively speaking) has been considered false teaching. Here's why.
If a person proclaims that 1 Thessalonians 4:17 is not part of the "last day", the one and only return of the Lord....then he\she is predicting his return by simple math, whether or not it is acknowledged.
Millenniumism bases some the events of Revelation literally, while other parts not.
Millenniumism has a ever changing current event secenerio...people through out the centuries was sure that that event must be it, be that a calender change (70 - 1000 - 1200 - 1500 - 2000AD) or a plague, war or dust bowl.
Millenniumism has produced many good seller books, movies
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ILNC it's a shame you don't use that same principle regarding eternal Hell.
Just a thought
It doesn't apply to eternal hell, that is something totally different, I wish you could understand that.
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Just as importantly, she misses the process Jesus told us we would undertake as followers of Him. He was crucified!
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