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Old 12-30-2008, 08:14 AM
 
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How much information about Jesus is found outside of the bible?
Did the Romans write much on the subject?
Are there many artifacts found that relate to the bible?
Im really interested in scientific/historical evidence of the bible.
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Old 12-30-2008, 08:17 AM
 
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My personal favorite is Caiaphas Ossuary: Secular archeologist said, this High Preist who presided over Jesus trial never existed till some construction workers stumbled upon his Ossuary, remains in the ancient casket. The Caiaphas ossuary bears the inscription “Yeosef bar Qafa” and is dated to the second temple period. Yeosef (Joseph) was the son of Caiaphas. This verifies that there was a high priest at the time of Jesus and his name was Caiaphas like the bible states.

Bible Archaeology: An Exploration of the History and Culture of Early Civilizations - By: John McRay, Alfred Hoerth - Christianbook.com
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Old 12-30-2008, 09:36 AM
 
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The Complete Works of Flavius Josephus: Antiquities of the Jews, War of the Jews, Flavius Josephus Against Apion

Very interesting history written by a non christian...I have no trouble believing this historian, but that is just my opinion
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Old 12-30-2008, 09:51 AM
 
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How much information about Jesus is found outside of the bible?
Did the Romans write much on the subject?
Are there many artifacts found that relate to the bible?
Im really interested in scientific/historical evidence of the bible.
If you did not limit yourself to "scientific/historical" evidences to research things of the spirit you would find that there is an enormous amount of information about Jesus found outside of the few books that councils of men chose from among many to make up the Bible.

http://jesuschrist.lds.org/SonOfGod/eng/
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Old 12-30-2008, 09:46 PM
 
Location: Pawnee Nation
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How much information about Jesus is found outside of the bible?
Quite a bit. There are quite a few stories in Muslim history about Jesus, as well as John the Baptist. The Gnostic writings talk a lot about Jesus.
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Did the Romans write much on the subject?
No. the only Roman was Josephus, and he was a zealot who turned Roman after being captured. Josephus' book mentioned above has just a brief reference to Jesus. You have to remember, that Christianity was a small fringe sect of a very troublesome religion that was frequently in open rebellion against Rome.
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Are there many artifacts found that relate to the bible?
Yes
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Old 12-30-2008, 11:35 PM
 
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There are no artifacts that directly relate to Jesus. The settings in the bible can be verified somewhat by archaeology, but not Jesus himself.

There are no writings of anyone who ever met Jesus. The gospels were written decades after Jesus' death, and even though they are attributed to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, there is no evidence that those people actually wrote them. The church attributed them to those people much later.
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Old 12-30-2008, 11:45 PM
 
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There are no writings of anyone who ever met Jesus. The gospels were written decades after Jesus' death, and even though they are attributed to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, there is no evidence that those people actually wrote them. The church attributed them to those people much later.
Can you prove that the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John were written by someone other than Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John? If so...who exactly wrote them?
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Old 12-30-2008, 11:49 PM
 
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Can you prove that the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John were written by someone other than Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John? If so...who exactly wrote them?
No, can you prove they did write them? The one with the claim has the burden of proof.
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Old 12-31-2008, 12:17 AM
 
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Actually the burden of proof lies on someone who is disclaiming a commonly accepted statement. It has been accepted for centuries that the gospels were written by their namesakes. You come in and say it is not so. You have every right to believe whatever you want to believe, but you should come up with something when challenged.

I'm sure there are plenty of people who would agree with you. But they just challenge the commonly accepted fact without showing who did write them. To attribute the gospels to some mystery author and then tell someone to prove it isn't so 2000 years after the fact is sending someone on a goose chase. I'm not going there.

There are innumerable commonly accepted historical facts that cannot be proven thousands of years later.
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Old 12-31-2008, 01:35 AM
 
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Actually the burden of proof lies on someone who is disclaiming a commonly accepted statement. It has been accepted for centuries that the gospels were written by their namesakes. You come in and say it is not so. You have every right to believe whatever you want to believe, but you should come up with something when challenged.

I'm sure there are plenty of people who would agree with you. But they just challenge the commonly accepted fact without showing who did write them. To attribute the gospels to some mystery author and then tell someone to prove it isn't so 2000 years after the fact is sending someone on a goose chase. I'm not going there.

There are innumerable commonly accepted historical facts that cannot be proven thousands of years later.
Just because something is accepted that doesn't make it true. The appeal to popularity fallacy is common, especially in religion.

The early church is the source of the author names, particularly from Eusebius, Constantine's propaganda master. "Eusebius (260-339) is on record saying 'It is an act of virtue to deceive and lie, when by such means the interests of the church might be promoted'."
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I'm not saying I have the answers, I have no idea who wrote them. But the evidence is not there, unless you believe a propagandist with an agenda. I challenge you to find anything in the texts that narrows the authors down to Matt, Mark, Luke, and John.
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