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Old 01-01-2009, 02:32 PM
 
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Please note that the following are not my words, but the teaching of Ken Klein, stay with me here sisters and brothers, this is long, but amazing! Here we go....Rev.13:11..1st Beast-out of the sea.
Later, 2nd Beast-out of the earth-2 horns.

Rev. 13:11..the 2nd Beast "The False Prophet".."...spoke as a dragon-exercises ALL the authority..and he performs great signs and deceives these..makes an image of the beast..to be killed... marks on their forheads...here is wisdom...the number is that of man (not a man), his number is 666"...end (shortened)
"We must know what our adversary is doing-We are called to win-we have to fight...others who can not see walk in defeat." says Ken Klein.

#1-Before he was thrown upon the earth he was called Lucifer-beautiful-had it all...God's right hand man. For his rebellion, was cast out into the world, he has brought with him the same agenda. As you track through history- there is a Satanic conspiring to take over the world, politically-to take over. On the other side-there's God calling his Kingdom. He's calling out a people. We aren't part of the group in darkness. This plan-this agenda, is incripted in symbolism, in "morse-code" so to speak. In Rev.we have symbolism that has to be decoded to understand the meaning. John sees a beast, and a dragon, standing on the sea shore, they are "moving" out of the sea to the shore. In Daniel, chapters 7-8, Daniel sees the same beast-a little horn-(he sees it a little different), explained as a government-Gentiles in control without the rule of God-A SYSTEM- An EMPIRE....Why did God record 2 different views?....Daniel and John?....Why the differing?...To make sure we would differienciate between the two. John sees a panorama (the beast of Rev. 13)-the future. In Rev 17, the mystery of the woman and 7 horns-7 mountains-5 have fallen-1 is-and 1 to come. The 6th horn is the Roman Empire-this explains the SYSTEM that Satan has been building for 1000's of years. There is a difference between the anti-christ and the Beast, the beast is not a man, it is a system.

We have to draw the distinction between a man-Dan.11; 2 Thess 2; Zach 12...and the SYSTEM. This has been under construction since the Egyptian Empire..through, to the Greek Empire, on through, to the Roman Empire.

How does the 2nd Beast factor in to that agenda?
1-Purpose of false prophet the 2nd beast.
2-When he appears in time.
3-Powers (how he opperates)...so we can track him.

1-The purpose; go down to verse 16, and he causes the whole world to follow after the SYSTEM, that has been gathering momentum since the Egyptian Empire! A SYSTEM so purvascious and powerful that the saints can't stop it! We may have victory over it even though it may kill us! The worst thing that can happen is we go HOME! We win! The purpose is for the whole world to track after this system. There really is the political aparatus set up...New World Order...he, (the anti-christ) comes at a certain time to finish the agenda.
2-the 2nd beast appears at a specific point in history. This is a reality that manifests' ...a prophetic utterance that will happen. Rev 17...let me tell your the mystery...5 have fallen...

Nimrod came to Egypt-the 1st head of the beast...John's beast.
Assyrian King, the "Great King"(..known as), war like race; cruel-the 2nd head of the beast.
Babylon-the 3rd head of the beast.
Mead-Persia-the 4th head of the beast.
Roman Empire-the 6th head of the beast...finally conquered by the Greeks.
Greece-the 5th head of the beast...great philosophy; medicines; sciences-worshipped pagan traditions.
6th head, ("and one is"), the Roman Empire...grew into an enormous Empire...remembered for its brutallity.

The Lord says to John, "...one is about to come!"
7th head will be "slain"-Rev. 17, then the 8th.

For decades we have believed the anti-christ would receive a fatal head wound, and then there would be a satanic resurrection?- WHEN JESUS DIED AND WENT INTO THE BELLY OF THE EARTH AND GOT THE KEYS, ONLY GOD CAN RAISE FROM THE DEAD! We've been looking for a man, it isn't a man. How can it change from an Empire to a man? It isn't talking about a man being "slain", but an Empire being slain-we are well into the 8th Empire! Recognize this? (written about 200+ years ago-(our Fathers had been trying to break out of this Empire)... George Washington... Congress...The Declaration of Independance!...The beast has exhixted for 2000 years-our Fathers trying to break out of it!

Brittish Empire-the 7th head, set up in the 1600's, every central bank in every country practiced the "fractional reserve" of banking, people used to pay in notes...then they began to make a lie out of the truth..causes inflation...this is how you destroy a nation, you print, print, print,,you paper it to death! The Bank of England-the brutal set up of an amazing warfare...Chinese tried to break out...killed millions of Indians-made them slaves...piracy and drugs is where their money came from...In 1815, The Battle of Waterloo-to determine who would control the Bank of Europe...The Rothchild's, because they controlled the bank, they were accused of the Jewish conspiracy.

1914-WWII broke out, ended in 1919 or so...reignited when Hitler invaded. When WWII was over, so was the British Empire who was the "beast" at that time.

Without realizing it probably, they (our Fathers) were trying to break out and go to a "New Jerusalem)...

The 7th head was slain.

1945-the 8th head called the United Nations! The timing of the 2nd beast...a head wound...over 50 years this United Nations has been with us.

How Is the false prophet causing the world to fall into this system? 3 powers...
1-Able to call down fire from heaven on the presence of man
2-makes an image-gives it life.
3-makes a mark where no one can buy or sell.
Who is making this "mark?" The false prophet does this. Discern him and perceive him in the Spirit...Some kind of technological marvel to change the money system..."Making an Image" also by technological signs. Most of the most amazing technologies have happened in the last 100 years. Why did God hold back our technology for so long? (because their WERE geniouses back then). Because, if He had opened it up to man sooner-he wouldn't have had enough time, because we would have wiped out the world a long time ago...within 10 years after discovering the bomb, we began dropping them upon human-kind...weapons systems were developed...in the Gulf WAR, 31/2 MILLION TROOPS...in our last war much, much less. We have developed fire from heaven..the nuke upon Japan....Military technologies-the false prophet has them.

2nd-an image of the beast>(a system that is about 5000 years old)...What does this image look like?...IMAGE=icon-Greek; (the Lord said, "...give Me that "icon"-who's icon...render to Ceaser..." Icon-likeness-similar to...the 2nd beast breaths life into this "icon", not some statue..the word "numa=spirit>he gives this likeness "spiritual life"-what could this be?...TELEVISION!...T.V., began being controlled by Christians-now has become more and more Satanic-an icon of the system that is programming the citizenry of the world-caused the world to be a "global-event", the world has become smaller by the media of T.V., it puts you in an alpha brain wave state-goes into your spirit and shapes it-and gives it pre-suppositions and concepts-be careful what you watch. To control the world, you have to have a world communications system...over 500 channels...

3rd-a "mark"...he's been working on this Universal Product Code-to inventory products quickly and came up with a concept where numbers identify. On the UPC tag, the two longer bars on either side that do not have numbers underneath them represent the number "6", (so there are two of the three 6's); the center long bar in the middle, represents the number "6", (the third 6); The computer is activated by the longer bars-they tell the computer when to turn on-pick up info at the speed of light and turn off....666...these "guard bars" have no numbers under them...LET HIM WHO HAS WISDOM CALCULATE THE NUMBERS OF THE SYSTEM! NOT THE NUMBERS OF A SPECIFIC MAN!...the #'s of a SYSTEM...The beast-a SYSTEM!...this will be adapted into human use...

A new development: RFID...the latest technological advancement-a bar-code has the capacity to eliminate the need of scanners-can be picked up now, within 700 yards...later it will be able to pick up info. from much farther away!!!...by sound waves!! Today we now deal with I.D. theft...What can be done? How do we secure our precious personal information? The answer will be RFID, this will set up a cardless society. the future can be seen looming on the horizon...military power; world wide communication system; world wide banking system...he causes the whole world to follow after the beast...Want to know who he is? " I don't believe in conjuncture or speculation...there is no private interpretation...EVERYTHING HAS TO COME UNDER THE ENTIRE BOOK OF THE BIBLE." states Mr. Klein.

"...and I saw another...lamb that spoke as a dragon..."

3 clues...the identity of the second beast...NOT THE POPE! The false prophet looks like a lamb and speaks like a dragon-some "Christ-like" symbol to it? Jewish were required to kill a lamb at Passover-the blood of the lamb..Behold the lamb of God...underneath, speaks like a dragon...remember in the first snetence of this letter I said remember the word "ALL": ALL the POWER of,(legal power-"exsucias"-the concept)
System (the first beast)..the legal power of Pharoah; Assyrian king; Alexandre the Great...legal authority...ALL rules out the pope...EMENSE LEGAL POWER!!-IT IS SO BIG YOU CAN"T SEE IT!...

verse 11...and he had 2 horns..
...the Bible interprets the Bible, go to Daniel...he sees the beast-what is the meaning of 10 horns...answer: 10 KINGS!
8th chapter-goat and ram...two beasts' fighting...Meads=1 horn 0r KING; Persians=2 horns or 2 KINGS; they overthrow Greece=1 horn or KING...Horns mean kings in EVERY place through the whole Bible!

The false prophet is not a man-it is the system of 2 kings that have a Christian veneer-world communications-world economic system...

Who do you think they are?

The military of the East India country now known as The Royal Institute of the New World Order of Affairs. Historical members of this Order were: names such as: Charles Darwin; Carl Mark; Frederick: Thorough & Emerson-philosophy of New Age today; John Ruskin-he believed ther could be a global empire-he preached in the late 1800's about his dream at Oxford University; Cecile Rhodes picked up his vision; the anti-kingdom of God. He created the "Round Table"-the inner "think-tank" table of the East India House. Rothchild..Alford Bilfouer, believed if they could gain control of money, they could effectively control the world....A power given by the people to the Congress, where they could print the money...they just print up the money...in the depression in 1907, they set us up to be cash poor...manupulated by a man called Worborough masterminded a bill called, "The Jackal Island Document"...The Federal Reserve Act of 1913-they voted unanimousely to pass this bill...IT IS NOT AMERICAN; IT IS NOT A RESERVE; IT IS NOT FEDERAL. The taxes we pay on the money goes to the people that ownes the Banking System: the richest people in the world: huge debt credited by the war in 1917...Woodrow Wilson- The League of Nations was set up-great men of Congress vitoed it-The "Round Table: is the Council of Foreign Relations;CFR-the "club" that determined the people who go to high places in Government...The United Nations...SET UP BY BRITAIN AND THE UNITED STATES-2 horns-is Britain considered a Christian nation?.....NO......is America?.....YES. This is the sign-now you can see-the collapse that will set up...Acts:"...you will see signs in the sky in the heavens...the Hubble Sace Craft.
They took a picture above the Big Dipper-they saw 1000's of Galaxies in the size of a quarter...they are recharting the heavens...over 50,000,000,000 Galaxies..10 Billion people. If there is 50 Billion Galaxies, and 10 Billion people,every person could own 5 Million Galaxies....there are mansions out there...and all these people are not saved...the Lord loves people..."I have called you that I might plant the Heavens...!

O.K! ...I'm ready for ya! ...be kind to me......Love.
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Old 01-01-2009, 02:43 PM
 
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Hmmmm.....apparently I've offended you. Sorry about that Verna. That was not my intention at all. I'll just go about my business elsewhere.
No way DOTL!!..I AGREED with you! You were right about what you said in your previous post to me! I love you!...ALWAYS!!!!
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No way DOTL!!..I AGREED with you! You were right about what you said in your previous post to me! I love you!...ALWAYS!!!!
I can smell the rubber burning!!..and the keys -a-typin!!
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Please note that the following are not my words, but the teaching of Ken Klein, stay with me here sisters and brothers, this is long, but amazing! Here we go....Rev.13:11..1st Beast-out of the sea.
Later, 2nd Beast-out of the earth-2 horns.

Rev. 13:11..the 2nd Beast "The False Prophet".."...spoke as a dragon-exercises ALL the authority..and he performs great signs and deceives these..makes an image of the beast..to be killed... marks on their forheads...here is wisdom...the number is that of man (not a man), his number is 666"...end (shortened)
"We must know what our adversary is doing-We are called to win-we have to fight...others who can not see walk in defeat." says Ken Klein.

#1-Before he was thrown upon the earth he was called Lucifer-beautiful-had it all...God's right hand man. For his rebellion, was cast out into the world, he has brought with him the same agenda. As you track through history- there is a Satanic conspiring to take over the world, politically-to take over. On the other side-there's God calling his Kingdom. He's calling out a people. We aren't part of the group in darkness. This plan-this agenda, is incripted in symbolism, in "morse-code" so to speak. In Rev.we have symbolism that has to be decoded to understand the meaning. John sees a beast, and a dragon, standing on the sea shore, they are "moving" out of the sea to the shore. In Daniel, chapters 7-8, Daniel sees the same beast-a little horn-(he sees it a little different), explained as a government-Gentiles in control without the rule of God-A SYSTEM- An EMPIRE....Why did God record 2 different views?....Daniel and John?....Why the differing?...To make sure we would differienciate between the two. John sees a panorama (the beast of Rev. 13)-the future. In Rev 17, the mystery of the woman and 7 horns-7 mountains-5 have fallen-1 is-and 1 to come. The 6th horn is the Roman Empire-this explains the SYSTEM that Satan has been building for 1000's of years. There is a difference between the anti-christ and the Beast, the beast is not a man, it is a system.

We have to draw the distinction between a man-Dan.11; 2 Thess 2; Zach 12...and the SYSTEM. This has been under construction since the Egyptian Empire..through, to the Greek Empire, on through, to the Roman Empire.

How does the 2nd Beast factor in to that agenda?
1-Purpose of false prophet the 2nd beast.
2-When he appears in time.
3-Powers (how he opperates)...so we can track him.

1-The purpose; go down to verse 16, and he causes the whole world to follow after the SYSTEM, that has been gathering momentum since the Egyptian Empire! A SYSTEM so purvascious and powerful that the saints can't stop it! We may have victory over it even though it may kill us! The worst thing that can happen is we go HOME! We win! The purpose is for the whole world to track after this system. There really is the political aparatus set up...New World Order...he, (the anti-christ) comes at a certain time to finish the agenda.
2-the 2nd beast appears at a specific point in history. This is a reality that manifests' ...a prophetic utterance that will happen. Rev 17...let me tell your the mystery...5 have fallen...

Nimrod came to Egypt-the 1st head of the beast...John's beast.
Assyrian King, the "Great King"(..known as), war like race; cruel-the 2nd head of the beast.
Babylon-the 3rd head of the beast.
Mead-Persia-the 4th head of the beast.
Roman Empire-the 6th head of the beast...finally conquered by the Greeks.
Greece-the 5th head of the beast...great philosophy; medicines; sciences-worshipped pagan traditions.
6th head, ("and one is"), the Roman Empire...grew into an enormous Empire...remembered for its brutallity.

The Lord says to John, "...one is about to come!"
7th head will be "slain"-Rev. 17, then the 8th.

For decades we have believed the anti-christ would receive a fatal head wound, and then there would be a satanic resurrection?- WHEN JESUS DIED AND WENT INTO THE BELLY OF THE EARTH AND GOT THE KEYS, ONLY GOD CAN RAISE FROM THE DEAD! We've been looking for a man, it isn't a man. How can it change from an Empire to a man? It isn't talking about a man being "slain", but an Empire being slain-we are well into the 8th Empire! Recognize this? (written about 200+ years ago-(our Fathers had been trying to break out of this Empire)... George Washington... Congress...The Declaration of Independance!...The beast has exhixted for 2000 years-our Fathers trying to break out of it!

Brittish Empire-the 7th head, set up in the 1600's, every central bank in every country practiced the "fractional reserve" of banking, people used to pay in notes...then they began to make a lie out of the truth..causes inflation...this is how you destroy a nation, you print, print, print,,you paper it to death! The Bank of England-the brutal set up of an amazing warfare...Chinese tried to break out...killed millions of Indians-made them slaves...piracy and drugs is where their money came from...In 1815, The Battle of Waterloo-to determine who would control the Bank of Europe...The Rothchild's, because they controlled the bank, they were accused of the Jewish conspiracy.

1914-WWII broke out, ended in 1919 or so...reignited when Hitler invaded. When WWII was over, so was the British Empire who was the "beast" at that time.

Without realizing it probably, they (our Fathers) were trying to break out and go to a "New Jerusalem)...

The 7th head was slain.

1945-the 8th head called the United Nations! The timing of the 2nd beast...a head wound...over 50 years this United Nations has been with us.

How Is the false prophet causing the world to fall into this system? 3 powers...
1-Able to call down fire from heaven on the presence of man
2-makes an image-gives it life.
3-makes a mark where no one can buy or sell.
Who is making this "mark?" The false prophet does this. Discern him and perceive him in the Spirit...Some kind of technological marvel to change the money system..."Making an Image" also by technological signs. Most of the most amazing technologies have happened in the last 100 years. Why did God hold back our technology for so long? (because their WERE geniouses back then). Because, if He had opened it up to man sooner-he wouldn't have had enough time, because we would have wiped out the world a long time ago...within 10 years after discovering the bomb, we began dropping them upon human-kind...weapons systems were developed...in the Gulf WAR, 31/2 MILLION TROOPS...in our last war much, much less. We have developed fire from heaven..the nuke upon Japan....Military technologies-the false prophet has them.

2nd-an image of the beast>(a system that is about 5000 years old)...What does this image look like?...IMAGE=icon-Greek; (the Lord said, "...give Me that "icon"-who's icon...render to Ceaser..." Icon-likeness-similar to...the 2nd beast breaths life into this "icon", not some statue..the word "numa=spirit>he gives this likeness "spiritual life"-what could this be?...TELEVISION!...T.V., began being controlled by Christians-now has become more and more Satanic-an icon of the system that is programming the citizenry of the world-caused the world to be a "global-event", the world has become smaller by the media of T.V., it puts you in an alpha brain wave state-goes into your spirit and shapes it-and gives it pre-suppositions and concepts-be careful what you watch. To control the world, you have to have a world communications system...over 500 channels...

3rd-a "mark"...he's been working on this Universal Product Code-to inventory products quickly and came up with a concept where numbers identify. On the UPC tag, the two longer bars on either side that do not have numbers underneath them represent the number "6", (so there are two of the three 6's); the center long bar in the middle, represents the number "6", (the third 6); The computer is activated by the longer bars-they tell the computer when to turn on-pick up info at the speed of light and turn off....666...these "guard bars" have no numbers under them...LET HIM WHO HAS WISDOM CALCULATE THE NUMBERS OF THE SYSTEM! NOT THE NUMBERS OF A SPECIFIC MAN!...the #'s of a SYSTEM...The beast-a SYSTEM!...this will be adapted into human use...

A new development: RFID...the latest technological advancement-a bar-code has the capacity to eliminate the need of scanners-can be picked up now, within 700 yards...later it will be able to pick up info. from much farther away!!!...by sound waves!! Today we now deal with I.D. theft...What can be done? How do we secure our precious personal information? The answer will be RFID, this will set up a cardless society. the future can be seen looming on the horizon...military power; world wide communication system; world wide banking system...he causes the whole world to follow after the beast...Want to know who he is? " I don't believe in conjuncture or speculation...there is no private interpretation...EVERYTHING HAS TO COME UNDER THE ENTIRE BOOK OF THE BIBLE." states Mr. Klein.

"...and I saw another...lamb that spoke as a dragon..."

3 clues...the identity of the second beast...NOT THE POPE! The false prophet looks like a lamb and speaks like a dragon-some "Christ-like" symbol to it? Jewish were required to kill a lamb at Passover-the blood of the lamb..Behold the lamb of God...underneath, speaks like a dragon...remember in the first snetence of this letter I said remember the word "ALL": ALL the POWER of,(legal power-"exsucias"-the concept)
System (the first beast)..the legal power of Pharoah; Assyrian king; Alexandre the Great...legal authority...ALL rules out the pope...EMENSE LEGAL POWER!!-IT IS SO BIG YOU CAN"T SEE IT!...

verse 11...and he had 2 horns..
...the Bible interprets the Bible, go to Daniel...he sees the beast-what is the meaning of 10 horns...answer: 10 KINGS!
8th chapter-goat and ram...two beasts' fighting...Meads=1 horn 0r KING; Persians=2 horns or 2 KINGS; they overthrow Greece=1 horn or KING...Horns mean kings in EVERY place through the whole Bible!

The false prophet is not a man-it is the system of 2 kings that have a Christian veneer-world communications-world economic system...

Who do you think they are?

The military of the East India country now known as The Royal Institute of the New World Order of Affairs. Historical members of this Order were: names such as: Charles Darwin; Carl Mark; Frederick: Thorough & Emerson-philosophy of New Age today; John Ruskin-he believed ther could be a global empire-he preached in the late 1800's about his dream at Oxford University; Cecile Rhodes picked up his vision; the anti-kingdom of God. He created the "Round Table"-the inner "think-tank" table of the East India House. Rothchild..Alford Bilfouer, believed if they could gain control of money, they could effectively control the world....A power given by the people to the Congress, where they could print the money...they just print up the money...in the depression in 1907, they set us up to be cash poor...manupulated by a man called Worborough masterminded a bill called, "The Jackal Island Document"...The Federal Reserve Act of 1913-they voted unanimousely to pass this bill...IT IS NOT AMERICAN; IT IS NOT A RESERVE; IT IS NOT FEDERAL. The taxes we pay on the money goes to the people that ownes the Banking System: the richest people in the world: huge debt credited by the war in 1917...Woodrow Wilson- The League of Nations was set up-great men of Congress vitoed it-The "Round Table: is the Council of Foreign Relations;CFR-the "club" that determined the people who go to high places in Government...The United Nations...SET UP BY BRITAIN AND THE UNITED STATES-2 horns-is Britain considered a Christian nation?.....NO......is America?.....YES. This is the sign-now you can see-the collapse that will set up...Acts:"...you will see signs in the sky in the heavens...the Hubble Sace Craft.
They took a picture above the Big Dipper-they saw 1000's of Galaxies in the size of a quarter...they are recharting the heavens...over 50,000,000,000 Galaxies..10 Billion people. If there is 50 Billion Galaxies, and 10 Billion people,every person could own 5 Million Galaxies....there are mansions out there...and all these people are not saved...the Lord loves people..."I have called you that I might plant the Heavens...!

O.K! ...I'm ready for ya! ...be kind to me......Love.
Greetings, Verna Perry: Did Mr. Klein happen to mention the fact that John was shown those things which were in his day to shortly take place because the time was then near (1:1, 3; 22:6, 10)?

Did he mention that Daniel was told to seal up the prophecy because the time was far off (Daniel 12) while John was told to NOT seal up the prophecy because the time was near (Rev. 22)?

It should also be noted that the word "anti-Christ" does not appear anywhere in the Revelation. It is found only in the epistles of John and even there it is characterized as the "spirit of anti-Christ." John also said that many anti-Christs were in existence in his own day!

The only people to whom the content of the Revelation was future were those of that first-century, pre-A.D. 70 time frame. As a former pre-trib., pre-mil. dispensationalist, I realize how exciting this fanciful speculation can be, but it is not grounded in God' Word.

If we do not place biblical books in their proper historical contexts, we will not be able to do accurate exegesis. The book of Revelation has long been neglected because it is assumed that it is difficult to understand. But these difficulties are lessened and understanding is much clearer when this wonderful vision is placed in its proper setting!

Preterist
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Old 01-01-2009, 04:02 PM
 
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Greetings, Verna Perry: Did Mr. Klein happen to mention the fact that John was shown those things which were in his day to shortly take place because the time was then near (1:1, 3; 22:6, 10)?

Did he mention that Daniel was told to seal up the prophecy because the time was far off (Daniel 12) while John was told to NOT seal up the prophecy because the time was near (Rev. 22)?

It should also be noted that the word "anti-Christ" does not appear anywhere in the Revelation. It is found only in the epistles of John and even there it is characterized as the "spirit of anti-Christ." John also said that many anti-Christs were in existence in his own day!

The only people to whom the content of the Revelation was future were those of that first-century, pre-A.D. 70 time frame. As a former pre-trib., pre-mil. dispensationalist, I realize how exciting this fanciful speculation can be, but it is not grounded in God' Word.

If we do not place biblical books in their proper historical contexts, we will not be able to do accurate exegesis. The book of Revelation has long been neglected because it is assumed that it is difficult to understand. But these difficulties are lessened and understanding is much clearer when this wonderful vision is placed in its proper setting!

Preterist
Hello Preterist, thank you so much for your response! Couldn't now be the time? What about your thoughts on the rest of the notes? How he corrolates with our history up into our present, and what we know that will be coming in the future re; the Bible? Thanks! I need help to understand because quite honestly, I don't understand a lot of it.
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I printed and read your post form Mr Klein. I found it very interesting. it doesnt realy conflict with anything I have read or believed. I believe the economic collapse may be bring all of this about.
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Old 01-02-2009, 03:14 AM
 
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I printed and read your post form Mr Klein. I found it very interesting. it doesnt realy conflict with anything I have read or believed. I believe the economic collapse may be bring all of this about.
Dear Robin, Hello! Thank you...and Preterist also for your replies. I appreciate it very much! Yes, I too find it very interesting myself. I'm not sure where I stand on the subject, but I can not deny some of the facts that Ken Klein gives. Grant it, there may be some things in it that may be questionable...sure...but at the same time, I feel there is a lot of truth in it also. The Book of Revelation is so complicated...renowned, very intelligent theologists avoid it like the plague because they can not come up with ABSOLUTE answers either. Some may think they have all the answers, one way or the other...but does anyone? Really? ...God knows I don't! I stand upon scripture just as much as the next one, I'm also open to listening to other thoughts, that are just as feasible as mine are, pertaining to areas that I quite honestly am a little foggy on. I am going to purchase his book, and read it...my notes above do not give it any justice because I was writing fast, trying to keep up...there is a lot missing. But people should know that this kind of thing could very well be true, if we can't agree that it COULD POSSIBLY be this way, how will anyone else have anything to begin to believe in? I sat here with my computer off...took a nap and woke up, fixed a cup of tea and just sat here, thinking about our future as a nation...as a world...(crying)...the future is NOW. We are at the end of our future as we know it here on earth, this I can say with total positivity...absolutely no doubt in my heart what-so-ever...I KNOW Jesus is so close to appearing in the clouds for us, and there are so many out there who don't have a clue...not a hint that something so big is comming that will effect them for all eternity...with so many different opinions and beliefs...my goodness, look at us...Christians...WE can't even agree on everything...a little here and a little there...maybe this but not that, or yes this, but no way that...who really, honestly can say that They know...and that their interpretation IS the final all-in-all truth? If we were honest about it, we'd admitt this, and possily be able to come together some how as one...this is so much on my heart, and ESPECIALLY since I've come to post on CD...and I believe that the Lord is speaking this into my heart, these thoughts are not my own, because who is Verna? She is only who Christ is in her...and it is His goodness that causes her conscern. We should relax and let there be differences in opinions without getting upset or angry about who is wrong or who is right. Jesus prayed in the garden for you and me...disciples and believers...He prayed to Our Father in Heaven that we would become one in Him, as He is One in God, that together we would be One...in Spirit and in truth..How do we do this? I believe ALL we have to do IS believe...JUST believe! God knows our hearts, the differences themselves don't seperate us, it is our attitude about the differences that bring the seperation Can't you see how this seperates us? Can we not unite?...TOTALLY?... we need to! We're never going to get everyone to believe in the very same thing, because different people have different interpretations...I say, "So what!" The Gospel of Jesus Christ; here is where we will unite together as one! This Message carries itself...our lives and the way we live it ARE the Message! But we have to show unity amongst ourselves. I love the entire Bible, as do most...and this is good..for us...but I'm thinking about others, who are not saved yet...they don't care about any of the other stuff...we put the cart before the horse...no wonder we get nowhere...it was designed to be pulled...we shouldn't be pushing all this on them...we should be pulling them in with the pure message of the Gospel. It's simple..it's easy...it's light...and it's good! I pray and believe that this New Year will bring in the brand new Kingdom of God! I hope I have not offended anyone, if I have it was not my intention to do so...just some sincere, loving thoughts from someone who stands amidst others who probably feel the same, and others again who probably feel differently...but we have to start somewhere right? I love you all very much...NOW......Your thoughts on my thread topic? Ha1 Ha!...Love
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Old 01-02-2009, 03:29 AM
 
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Good morning Verna!!

I have printed off your post, and will read it when I get back from grocery shopping. I'm up early to go beat the mad Friday rush....I HATE grocery shopping but I hate the crowds worse. Ugh.
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Old 01-02-2009, 07:44 AM
 
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The signs are all around us. The judgment time IS near. The sealing of the horrible abomination (from the book of Daniel) is on Jan 20th when our arrogant ignorant president-elect drops his hand from the swearing in, right onto a pen and reverses all the gains of the past twenty years.

God has had enough of His very own creation(humankind) defiling and killing/murdering his temple and not just in the womb either. It is NEVER God's will to kill/murder. "Thou shalt not kill." War is not acceptable. True Christians would object to going to war and rather be put into prison themselves for their stance than disobey God. We are to first love God and then love our neighbor...even if they do not love us back. We are to trust that God will do the dealing with the AntiChrist and evil. We are to pray with all our hearts and souls for those misguided around us. We are to set an example of God-approved behavior at all times.

The judgment day is upon us very very soon. I feel dread for those who've rejected God/Jesus/Holy Spirit in belief and action.
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