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Old 01-01-2009, 09:49 PM
 
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Old 01-01-2009, 10:54 PM
 
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That's what it's about, spreading the Word of His soon coming. Time as we "knew" it is no longer the same. The days and weeks and months are shortening. Good question my friend, ARE WE READY?? And if not, today is the day of salvation. Nothing, else should take priority over being ready. Nothing!!

Godspeed.

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Old 01-01-2009, 11:00 PM
 
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This is a great video!
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Old 01-05-2009, 12:32 PM
 
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Jesus said: "Assuredly I say unto you [His disciples standing right there with Him], THIS generation will by no means pass away till ALL these things take place." That includes verse 27!

Jesus came as He promised. Those who knew Him were ready!

Read verse 27 in its context! This video is a gross misinterpretation and the author should be ashamed, as well as those who do not rightly divide the word of truth!

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Old 01-05-2009, 01:30 PM
 
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Jesus said: "Assuredly I say unto you [His disciples standing right there with Him], THIS generation will by no means pass away till ALL these things take place." That includes verse 27!

Jesus came as He promised. Those who knew Him were ready!

Read verse 27 in its context! This video is a gross misinterpretation and the author should be ashamed, as well as those who do not rightly divide the word of truth!

Preterist
Preterist what is the big deal? It is not even an essential of salvation or is it?
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Old 01-06-2009, 11:29 AM
 
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Preterist what is the big deal? It is not even an essential of salvation or is it?
Good question, Fundamentalist. This rather recent teaching (mid 1800s) of a rapture and a future coming of Christ has left in its wake generations of Christians who have little impact on the world because they expect things to become worse and worse and then "poof" they will be taken out of the world. It has become a self-fulfilling prophecy. The world is supposed to get worse and worse so I'll simply step aside and let it.

There is also confusion as to what constitutes the people of God. Does God have one people or two? If one is a dispensationalist longing for a coming Antichrist who will make a convenant with Israel (God's people) and then break it and bring tribulation on believers as well (God's "other" people), then there are two people of God!

The most serious thing is the harm these teachings bring to Christ's honor. If He said He was coming back to those of His generation (as He clearly did), but did not (as many in the Church teach), then He is justifiably accused of being a false prophet by modern skeptics.

The teachings of dispensationalism (which I once embraced) have far-reaching consequences which impact not just eschatology, but other areas of doctrine and theology (e.g. sin, the nature of man, the Church, salvation).

While these matters of prophecy are not essential for salvation, they have great impact on the church and its growth and outreach. Sadly, I have often had my salvation questioned because of my eschatological views and have even been labeled an heretic--a label I believe should be used only if a formal council has been called and a formal charge has been leveled to which the accused is permitted to defend himself!

Again, this is not a matter of salvation but it is of great significance.

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Old 01-06-2009, 11:46 AM
 
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Ummm, once you guys leave, ummm, well, can I have all your stuff?
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Old 01-06-2009, 12:10 PM
 
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So the Bible has a fulfilled beginning and end? Why doesn't the Holy Spirit lead the majority of believers to see that it all has been fulfilled?
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Old 01-06-2009, 02:42 PM
 
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So the Bible has a fulfilled beginning and end? Why doesn't the Holy Spirit lead the majority of believers to see that it all has been fulfilled?
StirringWaters: Perhaps you are one of the small minority who actually studies your Bible in depth and questions what your teachers tell you, but most people are pew sitters. You see them every Sunday--the only day they open their Bibles! They will believe whatever comes from the pulpit and from the books they read. The Holy Spirit is trying to lead them--they are not following!

How do we ascertain what is true and what is false? Do we willingly accept the plain words of Scripture or do we cling to that which satisfies our desire for the sensational? For example, would you please tell me why that majority of believers you mention can read the opening and closing verses of the Revelation and still not get it? John was clearly shown those things which were to "shortly" take place because the time was then "near" (1:1, 3; 22:6, 10). Is it the Holy Spirit that prompts them to ignore those time statements or redefine them or is it their unwillingness to let the Bible's plain words determine their doctrines? What is it that permits them to see that 19 times Jesus means His contemporaries when He uses the expression "this generation" but then without precedent and justification He uses it to mean something very much different in Matthew 24:34? What is it that causes those same believers to read the personal pronoun "you" in Matthew 24 and make it refer to us of this generation rather than to those to whom Jesus was speaking? What is it that causes so many of that majority to almost completely ignore the historical setting of passages upon which they then base their teachings? It is not the Holy Spirit!

Jesus said "this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place." These are not difficult words to accept UNLESS taking them at their face value cannot be reconciled with one's preconceived and precious concepts. Many want a rapture and want the Lord's coming to be in their day, so they cannot even contemplate any other scenario. If one who has never read the Bible reads Matthew 24, he will not be confused when Jesus speaks directly to His disciples right there with Him and tells THEM--"When YOU see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet . . . (24:15)."

Are we willing to lay EVERYTHING we believe on the line in light of the plain words of the Bible? Many are not. And sad to say, many are too lazy to try to figure it out for themselves!

Do you suppose, Stirring Waters, that reasonably intelligent Christians stumble over such words as shortly or soon or at hand in their everyday lives? In fact, do these same people stumble over these same words in biblical passages that have NO eschatological significance? These same people who will not accept the plain and simple and normal meaning of the word "soon" when it appears in the Bible go about teaching today that Jesus is coming SOON! Do they expect us to understand that to mean a very long time? Of course not. That is not how they are using it and that is not how the Bible uses it. Yet, their presumptions and preconceptions will not permit them to allow the Bible to use time words in the same sense that they themselves use them.

The fault is not with the Bible--the fault is with those who would rather read into it rather than glean from it. I was a premillennial, pretribulation dispensationalist for many years. When I finally came to the truth, I questioned God as to why He had left me in error for so many years. The answer came to me--He did not leave me in error. I did! Because I was caught up in the fanciful speculations of such as Tim LaHaye, Hal Lindsey, and Jack Van Impe. It was fun! I read more ABOUT the Bible than I read the Bible itself! When I came before the Lord and His Word without my preconceived ideas and determined to let the Word say what it said, the shackles fell off. There is still much I do not know and I am truly always willing to part with ANYTHING I believe IF it can be proven to me with the Word of God that what I believe is wrong. My constant prayer when opening the Bible is that the Holy Spirit will keep from my thoughts anything that hinders the plain teachings found within its pages. It is a serious thing to wrongly divide the Word of Truth! We should all tremble at such a possibility.

In Christ, Preterist
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Old 01-06-2009, 02:50 PM
 
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I'm not ignoring your post, Preterist...I'm just thinking on what you had to say. I'll pray about it. Thanks for answering.
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