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Old 01-05-2009, 09:31 PM
 
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BBC NEWS | Middle East | Fighting flares outside Gaza City


Yeah, I used to defend Israel. Now I know. They are vicious.


A consistent pattern of genocidal behavior.

BBC NEWS | Middle East | UN denounces Israel cluster bombs
"What's shocking and completely immoral is: 90% of the cluster bomb strikes occurred in the last 72 hours of the conflict, when we knew there would be a resolution," he said.
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Old 01-05-2009, 09:57 PM
 
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You might want to consider the reason that so many innocent people are being killed in Gaza...it's because the Hamas choose to use schools, community centers, ect. to launch their rockets from. Israel is trying to destroy as many of those launching sites as possible so of course innocent people are killed as a result, which I agree, is horrible and heartbreaking. Israel is seen as being vicious while the fact that Hamas uses human shields is ignored.

Check out this article for a different point of view.

The suffering that Hamas causes - The Boston Globe
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Old 01-05-2009, 10:52 PM
 
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Israel is a sovereign nation surrounded by enemies trying to defend itself. Hamas continually launches missles at Israel even during a cease fire..killing innocent civilians. Time after time Israel warns them to stop. Hamas ignores those warnings and publicly claims they want to destroy Israel. Finally after many warnings Israel defends itself and because hamas hides behind women and children they want to paint Israel as the bad guy. Hamas has been killing innocent people for years and no one says a thing. Let a terrorist group start firing missles into new york city day after day and see what happens. Israel is totally surrounded. The terrorist groups have a different mind set than the civilized world. They will kill innocent people in a heartbeat hide behind children and then cry to the world when shots are fired back. They know how to play the pr game to the civilized world and Israel knows how to deal with them if we would just leave them alone. War is hell and terrible things happen but you have to defend yourself. If hamas doesn`t want innocent people killed then leave Israel alone...stop firing missles and instigating attacks...and stop hiding behind schools, mosques, and civilian homes.
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Old 01-06-2009, 08:20 AM
 
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500 civilians and the doctor sees 2 fighters? Why doesn't Israel let in any media?
and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for (AF)their deeds were evil.

Let us also not forget they invaded the land and then walled them up. That is why I posted what they did in Lebanon which is indefensible. We already know what Israel is. They are filled with genocidal maniacs but they continually try to spin it the other way around.

Let us also not forget who created Hamas

"Israel thought that it was a smart ploy to push the Islamists against the Palestinian Liberation Organisation (PLO)".
-Zeev Sternell, historian at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem
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Old 01-06-2009, 08:39 AM
 
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500 civilians and the doctor sees 2 fighters? Why doesn't Israel let in any media?
and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for (AF)their deeds were evil.

Let us also not forget they invaded the land and then walled them up. That is why I posted what they did in Lebanon which is indefensible. We already know what Israel is. They are filled with genocidal maniacs but they continually try to spin it the other way around.

Let us also not forget who created Hamas

"Israel thought that it was a smart ploy to push the Islamists against the Palestinian Liberation Organisation (PLO)".
-Zeev Sternell, historian at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem
I see where you are coming from but you must not be so quick to judge.

Israel is surrounded by their enemies and they must do what they must do for their safety and protection. In those conditions it is very easy to make mistakes. Israel will not allow the media because (1) They are bias and (2) They are liberal. Liberals cannot see the whole picture, they just see people dieing and they automatically side with the bleeding. That's not fair. No one salutes or praises Israel when they show restraint but as soon as they have had enough and push back people call them war mongers or genocidal maniacs.

Israel is well within their rights and even the bible supports their actions under the guise of security.

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Old 01-06-2009, 09:30 AM
 
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"All have sinned and come short of the glory of GOD," it is written.

Unless they repent, they will all likewise perish, in Gaza or in Israel.

JESUS CHRIST is the Way!
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Old 01-06-2009, 09:35 AM
 
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I see where you are coming from but you must not be so quick to judge.

Israel is surrounded by their enemies and they must do what they must do for their safety and protection. In those conditions it is very easy to make mistakes. Israel will not allow the media because (1) They are bias and (2) They are liberal. Liberals cannot see the whole picture, they just see people dieing and they automatically side with the bleeding. That's not fair. No one salutes or praises Israel when they show restraint but as soon as they have had enough and push back people call them war mongers or genocidal maniacs.

Israel is well within their rights and even the bible supports their actions.
Fundamentalist,

So what is the reason they dumped cluster bombs on Lebanon when the cease fire was already being agreed upon? An answer please?
Now I ask you are these God's people? Is the God who gathers them also rejected by his people? Is it OK for them to reject Jesus? Are they apostate or are they turning their love to God with all their heart?
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Old 01-06-2009, 09:45 AM
 
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Fundamentalist,

So what is the reason they dumped cluster bombs on Lebanon when the cease fire was already being agreed upon? An answer please?
Now I ask you are these God's people? Is the God who gathers them also rejected by his people? Is it OK for them to reject Jesus? Are they apostate or are they turning their love to God with all their heart?
You are missing the point, being agreed on is not a signed treaty and Lebanon was still firing on Israel as well. That really has nothing to do with Gaza except the fact that they will not honor a cease fire agreement. During the cease fore Israel bombed nothing and yet Hamas sent over 1000 missles into Israel killing civilians. Israel purchased the land including Gaza and gave that land to the Palestinians for peace which the Palestinians have never honored.

Some are Gods people, remember there are Christians on both sides as well.
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Old 01-06-2009, 09:50 AM
 
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I always ask this question, what kind of existence do you have to be leading in order to think strapping a bomb to yourself is attractive? Read up on Israeli treatment of the Palestinians:

Invisible Palestinians: Ideology and Reality in Israel

I'm tired of seeing half the story out of the Middle East.
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Old 01-06-2009, 10:12 AM
 
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Fundamentalist,

So what is the reason they dumped cluster bombs on Lebanon when the cease fire was already being agreed upon? An answer please?
Now I ask you are these God's people? Is the God who gathers them also rejected by his people? Is it OK for them to reject Jesus? Are they apostate or are they turning their love to God with all their heart?
The bible makes it very clear that these are God's people and not only does He protect them but He has a warning to us, (Genesis 12:3) "I will bless those who bless you, But I will curse those who curse you...".

Look no one here are calling the Jews, "saint"s, they have done a lot of wicked things (I am not excusing them but it happens) so have the Palestinians not only to Israel but to each other. The reality is such things happen under those conditions and duress. Desperate times call for desperate measures.

A Palestinian who has perspective. Please watch and see if you still have the same questions.

YouTube - Masab Yousef "Son of Hamas terrorists leader"

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