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Old 01-11-2009, 04:29 AM
 
Location: On a road heaven bound !
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They do go to the hospital ER/ICU waiting rooms! I have done it myself, and I am quite sure that 10's of thousands of other Christians have also. What is wrong with a few of them wanting to expand out to the morgues? Let's imagine your little kid has just died, the doctors have totally given up, and the child has just been brought into the morgue. What would be so wrong with a couple of believers coming in to the waiting room there, and praying for God to bring the child back? Would you be angry if they succeeded?

I personally know someone who has had a NDE. Died in the hospital, with the docs and nurses working feverishly over hiim, and panic-stricken wife waiting out in the waiting room. The monitor went into "flatline"...no pulse or breathing...nothing. But...also out in the waiting room with the wife was the pastor's wife (whom I also know, and I've heard her side of the story first-hand) who upon hearing about the desperate fight for life going on in the ER, began earnestly praying for God to intervene, to spare the man's life, to let him live. Well...after about 10 minutes or so, the man did come back....his pulse and breathing returned, and he eventually recovered.
The pastor's wife told me what he had told her: he had felt himself slip out of his body, saw the doctors and nurses working on his body, but then felt himself being drawn into a long tunnel. Coming to the end of the tunnel, there was an intense bright light, and there he met a "person" who told him it was not his time to be there, that he had to return...and he did. He felt himself being sucked back through the same tunnel, and then back into his body.
Today this man is still alive, (now 80 years old), and is the nicest person you would ever care to meet, as is his wife. The wife says she KNOWS he was raised back from the dead, she knows that he died, and that the Lord told him to come back. She calls the pastor's wife "my miracle worker". (although the pastor's wife refuses to take any credit...that it was all God's doing).

As far as "proof" of raising someone from the dead, there is no standard of "accepted proof", because what convinces one person is total nonsense to another. What would be considered acceptable proof? A person dead for 2minutes coming back alive? No? Ok then, how about 5 minutes? No? Ok then, how about 15 minutes? No? Ok, then how about an hour? Still not good enough? Well...ok then, how about 5 hours? No? Ok, then how about 24 hours? (one whole day) No? Ok, let's change that to 3 days...the same amount of time that Jesus lay dead in the tomb. Well...most don't believe that either, even though hundreds of people saw Him alive afterwards after that 3rd day. Bottem line: no amount of proof will convince some people. Other people require no proof at all...they just believe.
Best bet if one needs "proof": ask God.


Bud
Amen...Bud!
Matt. 5:8
Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.

God is God.... God can do whatever He wants, whenever He wants, wherever and however He wants.
He will always show Himself to those who believe!!!!
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Old 01-11-2009, 06:03 AM
 
Location: Pikeville, Ky.
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I believe in NDE (NEAR )death experiences..But I just think it is much better to pray for the living, for the ones suffering alive and for the ones needing to know God than to pray for someone already dead, in the morgue, and whose body has begun the decaying process..

If I have been declared dead, rejoice for me and my new eternal home, and please bury the old worn out, broken down house that I no longer occupy and do not wish to return to
Do not try to undo my answered prayers
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Old 01-11-2009, 08:34 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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Raising the dead in a funeral home?
What about the embalming fluid?

In the resurrection, we will be given new and immortal bodies, but Lazarus did not receive a new body.
Neither was he embalmed because of the expected smell.
He was raised as himself, but then later died a regular death.
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Old 01-11-2009, 09:53 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Raising the dead in a funeral home?
What about the embalming fluid?

In the resurrection, we will be given new and immortal bodies, but Lazarus did not receive a new body.
Neither was he embalmed because of the expected smell.
He was raised as himself, but then later died a regular death.
That's another point that I think about. The dude was so sick and died - it had to hurt. Then he's at peace but is brought back and has to get old and die all over again. NO FAIR!!!! Of course many believed because of Lazarus so, if it serves a higher purpose - fine...
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Old 01-11-2009, 09:54 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Raising the dead in a funeral home?
What about the embalming fluid?
What difference does embalming fluid make to God? He creates the universe with a word
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Old 01-12-2009, 04:02 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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If it was His will to raise someone - the sickness which caused them to die in the first place would also be healed.
We can trust that He thinks ahead and takes all things into account – even that which has not occurred to us.

God speaks the word and His breath (Gen 2:7) gives life.

Embalming fluid...
I don’t doubt God’s power, but I think He acts in accordance with His word.

But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof,
Genesis 9:

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On the day of resurrection, we'll be given new physical but immortal bodies.
On THAT day, embalming fluid will not be an issue; most Christians from throughout history will be merely bone fragments anyway.
The new bodies will not function according to biology, but according to the Spirit.


Now I say this, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.
1Corinthians 15:50

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Old 01-12-2009, 04:46 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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I was thinking that I might have used the word “believers” rather than “Christians” to take the OT saints into account.
But Jesus preached to those in Sheol and the believers followed Christ on high, so they could also be called Christians.

Please don't use this as derailment.
It is only a clarification to my previous post.
I fully expect that many out there will find this objectionable or questionable.
It is only a "small detail" which relates to my opinion.

Thank you,
Richio
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Old 01-12-2009, 08:17 AM
 
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She is connected to Todd Bentley and Bob Jones. They do some weird things
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Old 01-30-2009, 02:59 PM
 
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Raising the dead? Happens all the time in Africa. They don't doubt; they just have child-like faith in God, because they have nothing else. Want "proof"? Go to 13:25 in this clip herehttp://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=33343 905If you want to watch the first half of the movie, then here's the first half - [url=http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=32713 327]FINGER OF GOD pt 1 of 2 Video by Happy Wives - MySpace Video[/url]
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Old 01-30-2009, 03:08 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Raising the dead? Happens all the time in Africa. They don't doubt; they just have child-like faith in God, because they have nothing else. Want "proof"? Go to 13:25 in this clip herehttp://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=33343 905If you want to watch the first half of the movie, then here's the first half - FINGER OF GOD pt 1 of 2 Video by Happy Wives - MySpace Video
Welcome to the board, Ludicrous.
Part 2 (the part with the testimony)
FINGER OF GOD pt 2 of 2 Video by Happy Wives - MySpace Video

Part 1
FINGER OF GOD pt 1 of 2 Video by Happy Wives - MySpace Video

That was great. I'm gunna have to watch both parts - in order.

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