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Old 01-14-2009, 02:12 PM
 
Location: Gaston, North Carolina
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Ok here is a whole chapter dedicated to Goodpasture and MysticPhd.

2 Timothy 3 (New American Standard Bible)


2 Timothy 3

"Difficult Times Will Come"

1But realize this, that (A)in the last days difficult times will come.
2P)lovFor men will be (B)lovers of self, (C)lovers of money, (D)boastful, (E)arrogant, (F)revilers, (G)disobedient to parents, (H)ungrateful, (I)unholy,
3(J)unloving, irreconcilable, (K)malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, (L)haters of good, 4(M)treacherous, (N)reckless, (O)conceited, (ers of pleasure rather than lovers of God,

5holding to a form of (Q)godliness, although they have (R)denied its power; (S)Avoid such men as these.
6For among them are those who (T)enter into households and captivate (U)weak women weighed down with sins, led on by (V)various impulses,
7always learning and never able to (W)come to the knowledge of the truth.
8Just as (X)Jannes and Jambres (Y)opposed Moses, so these men also oppose the truth, (Z)men of depraved mind, rejected in regard to the faith.
9But they will not make further progress; for their (AA)folly will be obvious to all, just (AB)as Jannes's and Jambres's folly was also.
10Now you (AC)followed my teaching, conduct, purpose, faith, patience, (AD)love, perseverance,
11(AE)persecutions, and (AF)sufferings, such as happened to me at (AG)Antioch, at (AH)Iconium and at (AI)Lystra; what (AJ)persecutions I endured, and out of them all (AK)the Lord rescued me!
12Indeed, all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus (AL)will be persecuted.
13But evil men and impostors (AM)will proceed from bad to worse, (AN)deceiving and being deceived.
14You, however, (AO)continue in the things you have learned and become convinced of, knowing from whom you have learned them,
15and that (AP)from childhood you have known (AQ)the sacred writings which are able to (AR)give you the wisdom that leads to (AS)salvation through faith which is in (AT)Christ Jesus.
16(AU)All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; 17so that (AV)the man of God may be adequate, (AW)equipped for every good work.

Please be so kind as to give proper interpritation of this quote since the 2 of you are far more intellegent than the rest of us mere mortals.
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Old 01-14-2009, 02:38 PM
 
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Somebody, Please, PLEASE, PLEASE, Show me where and what scriptures we have misinterprited. Accusations have been made but evidence is absent.
For somone without extensive knowledge of hermeneutic exegesis and eisegesis it would be impossible to do so . . . since if you are literalists and fundamentalists the answer would be . . . MOST of it!
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OK, Goodpasture, you basically just admitted to not being a true Christian. I am trying to remember but I believe, and I could be wrong, MysticPhd you said you were gnostic.
I don't know if anyone else tires of this constant self-righteous nonsense of declaring others not to be Christian . . . but I certainly do. JESUS will decide that, Robin . . . NOT YOU or Fundy or DOTL or ANYONE ELSE!!! Those who accept Jesus are Christians . . . until they deny him.

I have read the Gnostic Gospels as well as myriad other scriptures and tracts about God or philosophy, etc. I am not a Gnostic . . . I am a Christian with a strong personal relationship with Jesus that affirms my certainty in the love and acceptance that are the true characteristics of God. My extensive scientific understanding ALSO confirms my beliefs and the relevance of ALL sincere attempts to understand God in the "spiritual fossil record." Those who are more comfortable "driving in the fog with their eyes closed because the glare of the headlights (knowledge) off the fog makes it hard to see are free to do so . . . but it is hardly prudent for them to encourage others to do so also.
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Goodpasture, I know what you are going to say, there I am judging again, but that is far from the truth. I am merely pointing out your rejection of the truth. You reject the creation story and Pauls writings and I am pretty sure your comment of the OT being a History of the Jewish people as being some sort of discounting. Dont get me wrong I am just trying to understand where you are coming from.
I will let GP speak for him/herself . . . but to be clear I believe what he rejects most is YOUR interpretations and explanations of the spiritual significance of them.
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Old 01-14-2009, 02:46 PM
 
Location: Gaston, North Carolina
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For somone without extensive knowledge of hermeneutic exegesis and eisegesis it would be impossible to do so . . . since if you are literalists and fundamentalists the answer would be . . . MOST of it! I don't know if anyone else tires of this constant self-righteous nonsense of declaring others not to be Christian . . . but I certainly do. JESUS will decide that, Robin . . . NOT YOU or Fundy or DOTL or ANYONE ELSE!!! Those who accept Jesus are Christians . . . until they deny him.

I have read the Gnostic Gospels as well as myriad other scriptures and tracts about God or philosophy, etc. I am not a Gnostic . . . I am a Christian with a strong personal relationship with Jesus that affirms my certainty in the love and acceptance that are the true characteristics of God. My extensive scientific understanding ALSO confirms my beliefs and the relevance of ALL sincere attempts to understand God in the "spiritual fossil record." Those who are more comfortable "driving in the fog with their eyes closed because the glare of the headlights (knowledge) off the fog makes it hard to see are free to do so . . . but it is hardly prudent for them to encourage others to do so also. I will let GP speak for him/herself . . . but to be clear I believe what he rejects most is YOUR interpretations and explanations of the spiritual significance of them.
You have addressed nothing, absolutely nothing, but you make it seem as if you have. You also have not offered anything remotely similar to what you claim to have knowledge of. You are merely a mouthpeace of the evil one sent to lead many away from the truth. Your own words betray you and the problem is you do not even realize it.

So lets try again, show me something specific and stop dancing around the questions in useless rhetoric, you are using the tactics of the evil one that we have all been warned about.
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Old 01-14-2009, 02:53 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Thank you DOTL and welcome back, hope you have had a good walk with the Lord.


Somebody, Please, PLEASE, PLEASE, Show me where and what scriptures we have misinterprited. Accusations have been made but evidence is absent.

OK, Goodpasture, you basically just admitted to not being a true Christian. I am trying to remember but I believe, and I could be wrong, MysticPhd you said you were gnostic.

Now Goodpasture wnts to know why the gospel of Mary was excluded. I would have to look at it to see but I am sure it did not meet the criteria for canon.

Goodpasture, I know what you are going to say, there I am judging again, but that is far from the truth. I am merely pointing out your rejection of the truth. You reject the creation story and Pauls writings and I am pretty sure your comment of the OT being a History of the Jewish people as being some sort of discounting. Dont get me wrong I am just trying to understand where you are coming from.

In all actuality we need the Bible as a guide book, not picking and choosing what to believe.
You can discount Paul all you like but you will find what he has to say in the other epistles and the gospels as well as within the OT.
I don't know who discounted Paul, but I know some do.
However, it's interesting that Peter called Paul's letters "Scripture".

Therefore, beloved, since you look for these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, spotless and blameless,
and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation;
just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him,
wrote to you, as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand,
which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.

2Peter 3:14-16
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Old 01-14-2009, 03:00 PM
 
Location: Gaston, North Carolina
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Thank you Richio, I wasnt being literal about disclaiming Paul, I was being sarcastic because so many want to discount so much of scripture to tickle their ears.
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Old 01-14-2009, 03:01 PM
 
Location: MI
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This is beginning to make me sick to my stomach.
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Old 01-14-2009, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Gaston, North Carolina
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This is beginning to make me sick to my stomach.
Yeah it can seem like a whirlwind.
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Old 01-14-2009, 03:07 PM
 
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You have addressed nothing, absolutely nothing, but you make it seem as if you have. You also have not offered anything remotely similar to what you claim to have knowledge of. You are merely a mouthpeace of the evil one sent to lead many away from the truth. Your own words betray you and the problem is you do not even realize it.
Now I am not only not Christian . . . I am of Satan? What's next . . . burning at the stake? As long as you believe in Jesus and you direct your life according to his example you will have no quarrel with this "spokesman of Satan" . . . regardless WHY you do so. How have I tried to lead anyone away from the truth of God or Jesus, Robin? I have only chastened you to stop judging and condemning others for not being Christians and not believing in Jesus CORRECTLY . . . according to YOU . . and pretending it is tough love! You are more apt to be leading many away from God and the truth by your attitude and behavior toward others . . . be careful what you accuse others of . . . it has a habit of backfiring. Judge by the fruits . . . not the intent . . . the road to hell is paved . . .
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Old 01-14-2009, 03:13 PM
 
Location: NW Arkansas
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This is beginning to make me sick to my stomach.
It did that to me about 80 posts ago!
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Old 01-14-2009, 03:13 PM
 
Location: Gaston, North Carolina
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Now I am not only not Christian . . . I am of Satan? What's next . . . burning at the stake? As long as you believe in Jesus and you direct your life according to his example you will have no quarrel with this "spokesman of Satan" . . . regardless WHY you do so. How have I tried to lead anyone away from the truth of God or Jesus, Robin? I have only chastened you to stop judging and condemning others for not being Christians and not believing in Jesus CORRECTLY . . . according to YOU . . and pretending it is tough love! You are more apt to be leading many away from God and the truth by your attitude and behavior toward others . . . be careful what you accuse others of . . . it has a habit of backfiring. Judge by the fruits . . . not the intent . . . the road to hell is paved . . .
You have not shown me one single verse that I have misinterprited while I have shown you several that varify what I have said about you and GP. So please be so kind as to start showing verses or shut up.
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