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Old 01-08-2009, 12:24 PM
 
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Fair enough. I believe children, mentally handicapped, even the mentally ill do not qualify for the program of salvation.
In scripture when King David's child died, he was totally convinced that he would see his child in heaven.
(2 Samuel 12:23) "23 But now that he is dead, why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I will go to him, but he will not return to me.
I appreciate your honesty in recognizing that not all beliefs are "scripturally based" and are not only left up to interpretation but also imagination.
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Old 01-08-2009, 12:25 PM
 
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Infants are pure and innocent until they become capable of recognizing sin.
Scripture?
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Old 01-08-2009, 12:30 PM
 
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Scripture?
The soul that sins, it shall die.
He that believes and is baptized shall be saved.

How does an infant sin??

How can an infant believe, and/or confess their belief?
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Old 01-08-2009, 01:01 PM
 
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The soul that sins, it shall die.
He that believes and is baptized shall be saved.

How does an infant sin??

How can an infant believe, and/or confess their belief?
Newborns craving little individuals. They do so out of their own need not out of the need of the lord. Right? Essentially babies are self centered little things. Loveable huggable self centered whiny cravealicoius little creatures. They crave survival over everything.

Is that not sinful?

Are you saying that since they don't know its sinful then they get a pass?
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Old 01-08-2009, 03:24 PM
 
Location: NW Arkansas
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Newborns craving little individuals. They do so out of their own need not out of the need of the lord. Right? Essentially babies are self centered little things. Loveable huggable self centered whiny cravealicoius little creatures. They crave survival over everything.

Is that not sinful?

Are you saying that since they don't know its sinful then they get a pass?

You are jesting...I hope ????
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Old 01-08-2009, 03:36 PM
 
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You are jesting...I hope ????
So you don't agree that craving earthly desires over godly desires is wrong? I mean thats all they care about. Nothing else.
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Old 01-08-2009, 07:53 PM
 
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That's assuming we have a choice. We are carnal by nature thus we want nothing to do with God, we have no desire for Him so how can we go 180 degrees? It is the Holy Spirit that regenerates us. I believe if the gift is given and we receive, not accept it we will automatically benefit from it. If we didn't then that proves we never received the gift. We are bought with a price, the Holy Spirit dwells in us now and we must feed the soul because we hunger spiritually. It is one of the fruits

(John 1:12)
"But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name."
IT gives you the power to become . . . it doesn't grant it upon acceptance and belief.
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Old 01-08-2009, 07:58 PM
 
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It's a God-given journey. From the milk to the meat...simply amazing.
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Old 01-08-2009, 10:29 PM
 
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Infants are not "born in sin" !!! Infants are pure and innocent until they become capable of recognizing sin.
That's not actually accurate. We are born into sin because of our sinful nature. You don't have to teach children to be selfish or how to lie or what ever. That's part of what we are born with. We have to be taught not to be selfish by telling children to share, we have to teach them that lying isn't a good t hing to do when children lie, and we learn how to be good from our parents and or the Bible if you study it.
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Old 01-08-2009, 10:30 PM
 
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Infants are not "born in sin" !!! Infants are pure and innocent until they become capable of recognizing sin.
not according to scripture:
Psalm 51:5
"Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me."

Everybody is sinful from the time of conception. That is why Jesus said "flesh gives birth to flesh" Marianmark, you were sinful because your parent are\were from birth, and your grandparents were\are and so on and so on till Noah, then from his grandparents till Adam and Eve.


You ask....
"How can an infant believe, and/or confess their belief?" My answer is question- faith..is it a gift from God or a decision from Man?

Psalm 22:10
From birth I was cast upon you; from my mother's womb you have been my God.

Romans 10:17
Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ.

We are told that John the Baptist rejoiced upon hearing the name of Jesus while yet in the womb. Why the rejoicing if you have no sin for a savior?

If you make coming to faith a work, then it would be logical for babies to be sinless...logical but not scriptural.
Besides, a wage is something earned....and the wages of sin is death. Babies die.
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