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Old 01-09-2009, 04:07 PM
 
Location: Gaston, North Carolina
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That is great deception. You are disputing the Word of God. What kind of sins are you talking about?

People who commit sin are giving into the flesh.
I am talking about all sins. Are you implying that you never sin?

Anyone who says they are without sin is a liar and the truth is not in them.
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Old 01-09-2009, 04:31 PM
 
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I am talking about all sins. Are you implying that you never sin?

Anyone who says they are without sin is a liar and the truth is not in them.
(1 John 1 8-10) "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us."

The scripture that you cited is past tense. Before we had Christ in our hearts, we were sinners; but, once we are washed by the blood of Jesus, we are finished with all sin because it's of the devil. Read the rest of 1 John and he says that whosoever commits sin is of the devil. If you are sinning, then you are not saved. That is the Word of God. Jesus came to set us free from the bondage of sin. If you continue to sin, you are still in the devil's bondage.

(1 John 2:3-4) "And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him."

How can you sin and keep Jesus' commandments at the same time? How can one be a sinner and a Saint at the same time? How can one commit sin and be righteous at the same time? You are either holy or unholy.

(1 John 3 5-8) "And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil."
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Old 01-09-2009, 04:35 PM
 
Location: SC Foothills
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You must live free from all willful sin to be born-again; Romans spells it all out, as well as other scriptures. There can be no seed of sin in you. Why would a Christian commit sin? That is the real question. How would you be without spot, wrinkle or any such thing and commit sin?

(1 John 3:9) "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God."

(Ephesians 5:27) "That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish."

And, the parable about the virgins in Matthew 25 is about Jesus coming during the rapture to take His Bride home; those that make up the bridal company will be spared the tribulation. People should study it very closely. Jesus is coming for a glorious church.

People can accept it or not, but it is the Word of God.

(2 Timothy 2:15) "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."
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Only the elect will be in the Rapture (Greek: Harpazo) in the "Gathering of the Saints" and that will happen only after the Great Tribulation. (Matt 24: 29-31)

Who are the elect? The elect are the true believers who obey the 10 Commandments. This is clearly the requirement for the Christians to be able to escape the coming persecution in the Great Trib.

Majority of Christians today break the Sabbath and the 7 Feasts of the Lord (4th Commandment)... so God sent them a strong Delusion... and that Delusion is their blind belief in a "Pre-trib" rapture!

God promised in due time he will sent a true Prophet (Malachi 4:5) to lead his people to a place of safety... here on earth. Those who are under the Delusion and waiting for the pre-trib rapture will surely not heed the call of the Prophet. They will be left behind and subjected to a "trial of fire" in the Great Trib to redeem themselves.

The Reward... a golden crown: Eventually those who chose beheading will be in the 1st Resurrection to rule with Christ for 1000 years. (Rev.20:4)... while the elect (protected by God in the GT) will be raptured and also rule with Christ for 1000 years.

The Great Delusion: http://www.prophecycountdown.com/pdf/The_Great_Delusion.pdf (broken link)

Wow, so you two are the only ones going in any Rapture, the first is going in the delusional pre-trib rapture that the second says doesn't exist, while the second is deluded into thinking the pre-trib rapture is what the Bible is talking about when it mentions the "great delusion".

There is just no reasoning with thinking like this. Here's a link for ya.....please read and understand.

Rapture Ready - your prophecy resource for the end times

And btw, we all still sin. Are you also trying to tell me that neither one of you ever commits any sin?? Never get angry, never "accidentally" look at porn, secretly sip whiskey, smoke cigarettes or pot, abuse prescription drugs or illegal drugs, severely dislike your neighbors or in-laws, masturbate (ha, yes that qualifies as sin) covet, get jealous, curse at other drivers, shoot the bird, make faces behind someone's back, gossip, or LIE??????? Yeah, right.

What's the scenery like up there on that pedestal/soap box??? Hmmmm......I wonder if "holier than thou" thinking is a sin???

I sin. I don't sin near as much as I used to because Christ rules my life now, but sin is sin. No one sin is greater than another, right? We are to strive for Christ's perfection, fight the good fight and ask for forgiveness when we mess up. REPENT.

Are you also saying that you never ask for forgiveness and repent for the sins that you DO commit? I do every night. It's time to get your head out of the clouds and get real. The bride of Christ is the body of Christ, not just a select few who think they are perfect. I'd venture to say that it's more likely that those types are the ones that will be left behind, not my type.
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Old 01-09-2009, 04:37 PM
 
Location: SC Foothills
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I am talking about all sins. Are you implying that you never sin?

Anyone who says they are without sin is a liar and the truth is not in them.

Amen to that!!!
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Old 01-09-2009, 04:49 PM
 
Location: Gaston, North Carolina
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Romans 7:14–25
14 We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18 I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature. [a] For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
21 So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22 For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; 23 but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. 24 What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? 25
So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature [b] a slave to the law of sin.
For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord!

Sounds like Paul is humble enough to admit he sins, while a few around here are too full of "pride" to realize "we all fall short of the glory of God".

Dont get me wrong guys, I am not making fun of you, just making a legitimate point using scripture.
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Old 01-09-2009, 04:53 PM
 
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(James 2:19) "Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble."

(James 4:7) "Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you."
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Old 01-09-2009, 04:55 PM
 
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Romans 7:14–25
14 We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18 I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature. [a] For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
21 So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22 For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; 23 but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. 24 What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? 25
So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature [b] a slave to the law of sin.
For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord!

Sounds like Paul is humble enough to admit he sins, while a few around here are too full of "pride" to realize "we all fall short of the glory of God".

Dont get me wrong guys, I am not making fun of you, just making a legitimate point using scripture.
Paul was talking about how he could not keep from sinning under the law, but under Grace he overcame all sin.
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Old 01-09-2009, 04:59 PM
 
Location: Gaston, North Carolina
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Paul was talking about how he could not keep from sinning under the law, but under Grace he overcame all sin.
I dont know sounds like he still had strongholds.
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Old 01-09-2009, 11:11 PM
 
Location: Canada
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Everyone of us have sin that's why we need to accept Jesus Christ as our personal Savior to be reconciled to God... then be baptized and to REPENT. Repent means to turn away from sin. FYI, SIN is the transgression of God's Law, the 10 Commandments!

The point I'm trying to explain is many of us Christians continue to sin by breaking the Law... particularly the 4th Commandment on keeping holy the Sabbath and the Feasts... giving all kinds of excuses. Even though we are already saved by the blood of Christ when we face God on Judgment Day, there are consequences, here in this life, for continuing to sin.

Hence for angering God by willfully breaking his Law, he sent a strong Delusion to his own people so they will suffer the consequence... and that I believe is the big test of faith in the coming Great Tribulation.
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Old 01-09-2009, 11:52 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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(2 Timothy 2:15) "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."
For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep.
1Thes 4:15

Even in the KJV, the meaning is the same.
There is no pre-resurrection rapture.
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