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Old 01-20-2009, 05:00 PM
 
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"exegetical" ???

Ooooooo Don't we just get the shivers when he talks like that ???

Have fun with your thread mate !!!
Greetings, bluepacific: What exactly is the value of your recent posts here? I gather from your sarcasm that you are questioning my exegetical abilities. That's fine. But instead of placing the word, exegetical, in red, encased in quotes, and followed by an emoticon, why don't you gives specifics? We are discussing the "end of the world" topic. Do you have something substantive to add--something from the Bible?

Again, can we deal with Bible study? Otherwise, what is your point?

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Old 01-20-2009, 05:04 PM
 
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And we who call ourselves Christians take cheap pleasure in the uncalled for ridicule of another believer?

Can we get beyond insults and get back to the topic? Criticize me if you want to. Again, I do not mind. But make it substantive, on topic, and based upon your own personal, in depth study of the Scriptures. Thank you.

Political quote: "When people start throwing dirt, it is a good sign that they are losing ground!"

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Old 01-20-2009, 05:35 PM
 
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To everyone: Be aware that Razzel is quoting from the inaccurate, poorly translated New World Translation of the Christian Scriptures. It is a Jehovah's Witness "translation."

Be aware also that the Jesus Razzel is waiting for is not the Jesus of the Bible.

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Inaccurate?????? Read the King James Version. The versus are quoted. The truth is before you.
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Old 01-20-2009, 09:18 PM
 
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And we who call ourselves Christians take cheap pleasure in the uncalled for ridicule of another believer?

Can we get beyond insults and get back to the topic? Criticize me if you want to. Again, I do not mind. But make it substantive, on topic, and based upon your own personal, in depth study of the Scriptures. Thank you.

Political quote: "When people start throwing dirt, it is a good sign that they are losing ground!"

Preterist
Then perhaps you have lost tremendous ground with your dirt throwing comment against RAZZLE in that translation cheap shot. I have no idea who RAZZLE is or what he believes , but the individual simply made some good points about the times we live in.

I've heard and read that Mike Blume Philosophy you spout over and over again and again and it isn't even worth the time of day to debate with. If you feel the end times happened in the year 70A.D. , then that's your business and destiny. Good for you. Then it should be of no consequence to you if someone wants to follow Jesus and his apostles words of keeping awake. Let'em believe that.

The problem is much of what you espouse as truth and the way in which you deliver it makes Atheism and Agnosticism seem more normal every day and the course to pursue. If you are stuck on one or two ONLY Mike Blume approved translations, then that's fine. Many here, including myself enjoy numerous translations and I welcome even more, no matter what the language. You started the cheap shots, you end it.
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Old 01-21-2009, 10:57 AM
 
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Then perhaps you have lost tremendous ground with your dirt throwing comment against RAZZLE in that translation cheap shot. I have no idea who RAZZLE is or what he believes , but the individual simply made some good points about the times we live in.

I've heard and read that Mike Blume Philosophy you spout over and over again and again and it isn't even worth the time of day to debate with. If you feel the end times happened in the year 70A.D. , then that's your business and destiny. Good for you. Then it should be of no consequence to you if someone wants to follow Jesus and his apostles words of keeping awake. Let'em believe that.

The problem is much of what you espouse as truth and the way in which you deliver it makes Atheism and Agnosticism seem more normal every day and the course to pursue. If you are stuck on one or two ONLY Mike Blume approved translations, then that's fine. Many here, including myself enjoy numerous translations and I welcome even more, no matter what the language. You started the cheap shots, you end it.
So you do not respond to my questioning you concerning your comments to me, but turn around and make accusations against me instead? Even here in your recent post, there is no substance.

Furthermore, while you seem to be saying "it's okay, Preterist, for you to believe what you believe; just let us believe what we believe," that is not how my views have been received here and you know it.

This has ALWAYS been my approach--let's look at the Scriptures, not our feelings, not what we want to believe, not what someone else has taught us, etc.

I made no cheap shot at Razzel. I stand by my original comment. I have dealt for many, many years with JWs, spending countless hours with them in my home. I bear them no ill will but desire that they might come to the knowledge of the true Christ. I have also spent many, many years studying the JW "translation" of the Bible. It IS inaccurate in many places--especially and foremost in those places which deal with the deity of Christ. I have pointed that out to my JW friends. The Jesus of the JWs is not the Jesus of the Bible. But that is for another thread.

In conclusion, I have been dealing with the issue and the topic of this thread. If you do not like what I present, prove me wrong biblically--with the Scriptures, as you have personally studied them with proper hermeneutical principles and tools using context clues, cross-referencing, word studies, and SWEAT, etc.

As for Mike Blume, I don't know anything about him. Rather than simply mentioning his name as though he is on some heretic list, why don't you spell out what it is you don't like about him and what he teaches before you associate me with him? I don't really care what he teaches--as long as it is biblical. If it is not, prove him wrong with the Scriptures rather than simply saying "he's wrong!"

Again, let's get back on topic using Scripture to back up what we believe! Does the Bible teach an end to the world?

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Old 01-21-2009, 12:23 PM
 
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So you do not respond to my questioning you concerning your comments to me, but turn around and make accusations against me instead? Even here in your recent post, there is no substance.

Furthermore, while you seem to be saying "it's okay, Preterist, for you to believe what you believe; just let us believe what we believe," that is not how my views have been received here and you know it.

This has ALWAYS been my approach--let's look at the Scriptures, not our feelings, not what we want to believe, not what someone else has taught us, etc.

I made no cheap shot at Razzel. I stand by my original comment. I have dealt for many, many years with JWs, spending countless hours with them in my home. I bear them no ill will but desire that they might come to the knowledge of the true Christ. I have also spent many, many years studying the JW "translation" of the Bible. It IS inaccurate in many places--especially and foremost in those places which deal with the deity of Christ. I have pointed that out to my JW friends. The Jesus of the JWs is not the Jesus of the Bible. But that is for another thread.

In conclusion, I have been dealing with the issue and the topic of this thread. If you do not like what I present, prove me wrong biblically--with the Scriptures, as you have personally studied them with proper hermeneutical principles and tools using context clues, cross-referencing, word studies, and SWEAT, etc.

As for Mike Blume, I don't know anything about him. Rather than simply mentioning his name as though he is on some heretic list, why don't you spell out what it is you don't like about him and what he teaches before you associate me with him? I don't really care what he teaches--as long as it is biblical. If it is not, prove him wrong with the Scriptures rather than simply saying "he's wrong!"

Again, let's get back on topic using Scripture to back up what we believe! Does the Bible teach an end to the world?

Preterist
"Again, let's get back on topic using Scripture to back up what we believe! Does the Bible teach an end to the world?"

I am curious as to what you mean by 'the end of the world'? Are you referring to Matthew 24 or another passage? Do you mean the 'world' itself...or the end of this 'age', (aion and means 'age) since that is the meaning of the word in Matthew 24:3.
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Old 01-21-2009, 10:19 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Don't worry about the world coming to an end, It's already tomorrow in Australia.
Whoa, that's heavy.... it's like... we're living in yesterday ...............
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Old 01-22-2009, 07:22 PM
 
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"Again, let's get back on topic using Scripture to back up what we believe! Does the Bible teach an end to the world?"

I am curious as to what you mean by 'the end of the world'? Are you referring to Matthew 24 or another passage? Do you mean the 'world' itself...or the end of this 'age', (aion and means 'age) since that is the meaning of the word in Matthew 24:3.
Greetings, mshipmate: I do not believe in an "end of the world." I agree that the word in Matthew 24 is aion, meaning age. As I assume you agree, the disciples were not asking Jesus about the end of the world but of the end of the age.

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Old 01-22-2009, 07:28 PM
 
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Greetings, mshipmate: I do not believe in an "end of the world." I agree that the word in Matthew 24 is aion, meaning age. As I assume you agree, the disciples were not asking Jesus about the end of the world but of the end of the age.

Preterist
Hey preterist,
Do you believe there will come an age when the physical is done away with or when man stops procreating and we all live in restoration to God?
Thanks
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Old 01-24-2009, 08:49 AM
 
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Hey preterist,
Do you believe there will come an age when the physical is done away with or when man stops procreating and we all live in restoration to God?
Thanks
Greetings, spm62: Since I find nothing in Scripture regarding this, I cannot say. Interesting question, though.

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