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Old 01-19-2009, 08:15 AM
 
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A lot of times it is hard for us to see things we don't want to see or believe. If the scripture is not enough I am not sure there will ever be any thing that will be enough.
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Old 01-19-2009, 12:32 PM
 
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Re: God speaking to us in our prayers....
It is written:
Romans 8:24
Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercessionn for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

Why did not it say God would speak to us ????
Because speech is through the vocal chords . . . what we receive from God is in the form of "conscience pricking" and sensing of impressions . . . not speech.
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Romans 8:34
Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.

Does 'intercession' = speaks to us in our prayers?
It means he provides the way to God for our consciousness . . . if we attune ours to Jesus'.
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"Here you go: God speaks to us through His Word (2 Timothy 3:16-17). Isaiah 55:11 tells us, “so is my word that goes out from my mouth: it will not return to me empty, but will accomplish what I desire and achieve the purpose for which I sent it.”

This is a most wonderful scripture, but it is speaking of the written word...the holy scriptures.
Where did you find the "written" part? Isaiah is OT. Jesus IS God's WORD (John 1:1 and John 1:14) . . . and he sends us his holy spirit to guide our inner consciousness.
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Old 02-23-2010, 11:28 AM
 
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God calls whom he chooses for his purposes. Look at these two scriptures and then make your choice: Gal 3:28: There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor felame: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus; and Col 3:11: Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumscision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all. God has no respect of person and neither should we. If God wants to use women (and he does), he will. If God wants to use homosexuals (and he does), he will. We need to leave God's business to God and concentrate on what God has called us to do. That should be our main focus. When we focus on what he has for us to do, we will be fully occupied. Consider that God does not withhold blessings from anyone of those whom some believe he hasn't called. They enjoy the sun, rain, harvest just as those who don't believe tha they should. This speaks again to God's Soverignty. He's in charge and not us.

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Old 02-23-2010, 01:24 PM
 
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Women have always been a fundamental part of ministry. I woman was used to bring the Word in the flesh... Now that being said there are as many foolish women in ministry as there r men. Faith is not a gender issue. "Man looks at the outward appearance, but God looks at the heart." Not the gender.
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Old 02-23-2010, 01:36 PM
 
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I will not listen to a woman preacher nor attend a church that ordains women. The Bible is clear on this matter.
Then I suppose you wouldn't have attended the Christian congregation in Rome during the time of St. Paul, given how he appointed Phoebe to be its deacon, noting her excellent work at Cenchreae.

What's more, not only did he approve of Phoebe as deacon, but he also approved of her acting as Prostatis, or "One who presides." You would have to be in serious denial to think that Paul, by his own writings, did not want a woman in a position of responsibility and leadership in the most important city of the age.

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Old 02-23-2010, 03:41 PM
 
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Then I suppose you wouldn't have attended the Christian congregation in Rome during the time of St. Paul, given how he appointed Phoebe to be its deacon, noting her excellent work at Cenchreae.

What's more, not only did he approve of Phoebe as deacon, but he also approved of her acting as Prostatis, or "One who presides." You would have to be in serious denial to think that Paul, by his own writings, did not want a woman in a position of responsibility and leadership in the most important city of the age.
It's essential to take full note of the apostle Paul. There is no evidence that he appointed Phoebe- he simply commended her, and as a person, not in any official capacity. She was a helper (diakonon) in another church, but was travelling to Rome in order to render some assistance, no doubt practical, which is what helpers were for. She did not preside, she helped, very possibly the women in the church, and had no authority whatever- hence Paul's request that she be given assistance.
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Old 02-23-2010, 06:27 PM
 
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It's essential to take full note of the apostle Paul. There is no evidence that he appointed Phoebe- he simply commended her, and as a person, not in any official capacity. She was a helper (diakonon) in another church, but was travelling to Rome in order to render some assistance, no doubt practical, which is what helpers were for. She did not preside, she helped, very possibly the women in the church, and had no authority whatever- hence Paul's request that she be given assistance.
Not so fast. If you go to Timothy, Paul only cites two church offices, Overseer and Deacon. An Overseer is what we now regard as a Bishop, while the Deacon acted in the role a minister would today, a position of undisputed leadership and authority.

Now if Paul is consistent between Romans and Timothy in the nomenclature of church offices, and he is either commending or recommending her by naming her past work as Deacon, then it stands to reason that he approved of her acting in this role. What's more, if women were truly subservient, then how does one explain away a woman traveling alone with a letter of recommendation from no lesser an eminence than Paul himself?
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Old 02-24-2010, 02:19 AM
 
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Not so fast. If you go to Timothy, Paul only cites two church offices, Overseer and Deacon. An Overseer is what we now regard as a Bishop
'We' being those who have replaced Scripture as their canon.

(Note that the above is not correct English.)

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a woman traveling alone with a letter of recommendation
Fond invention.
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Old 02-24-2010, 03:48 PM
 
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'We' being those who have replaced Scripture as their canon.

(Note that the above is not correct English.)


Fond invention.
Ah. So you cannot refute me on the question of Paul's letters to Timothy, so you decide to sling around vague accusations that imply that only you are heir to truth. Of course, the fact that Paul himself provided this hierarchy to the church in order to better organize its mission seems to not bother you at all.
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Old 02-24-2010, 05:38 PM
 
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Ah. So you cannot refute me on the question of Paul's letters to Timothy, so you decide to sling around vague accusations that imply that only you are heir to truth. Of course, the fact that Paul himself provided this hierarchy to the church in order to better organize its mission seems to not bother you at all.
This post is as fictional as the last from the same source.
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