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Old 01-08-2009, 03:47 PM
 
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Ohhhhhh....the bible was meant for that time. Then why do we read the bible today? why isn't sex before marriage of that time as well? a little bit old fashioned and unrealistic wouldn't you think?
I never said that the bible wasn't meant for that time just said that was what was taking place in that church when the women were told to be silent
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Old 01-08-2009, 03:54 PM
 
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I never said that the bible wasn't meant for that time just said that was what was taking place in that church when the women were told to be silent

... which had repercussions not even remotely recognizable in an "enlightened" age.
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Old 01-08-2009, 03:55 PM
 
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This is for fundementalist: Sooooo....you're saying that the hair thing doesn't matter now because it was for that time period....but the women preachers thing still stands? What proof do you have? How about women being silent in church??? It IS in the bible! So that must mean that women cannot ever speak in church?
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Old 01-08-2009, 03:56 PM
 
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This is for fundementalist: Sooooo....you're saying that the hair thing doesn't matter now because it was for that time period....but the women preachers thing still stands? What proof do you have? How about women being silent in church??? It IS in the bible! So that must mean that women cannot ever speak in church?

Well the hair thing was OT Law, the women thing was NT. No women can speak in church.

God has ordained that only men are to serve in positions of spiritual teaching authority in the church. This is not because men are necessarily better teachers, or because women are inferior or less intelligent (which is not the case). It is simply the way God designed the church to function.
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Old 01-08-2009, 04:01 PM
 
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So God is a sexist?

or is it more plausible that at the time Paul opined on the issue.. that was the prevailing thought.. (i.e. that men are better than women)
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Old 01-08-2009, 04:02 PM
 
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So God is a sexist?

or is it more plausible that at the time Paul opined on the issue.. that was the prevailing thought.. (i.e. that men are better than women)
It's his book....ask him. Find me a verse where God allows it in His bible. You know that thing Called, the Word of God
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Old 01-08-2009, 04:13 PM
 
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It's his book....ask him. Find me a verse where God allows it in His bible. You know that thing Called, the Word of God
Find me a verse where God specifically backs your view.

I'm not looking for Paul's view (his cultural view at the time).

Jesus spent some 30 years on earth. What did he say about it?
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Old 01-08-2009, 04:17 PM
 
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There was a woman deacon in the church in the NT.
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Old 01-08-2009, 05:00 PM
 
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OK the whole thing about women teaching men is not really the problem. The specific Church of that time just as Church today, had a problem with men being lazy and women picking up their slack. Paul was simply pointing out that the men are ordained by God to be the head of the family and that the women were to be under the man, not subservient but as in responsibility. Men are the ministers of the family and therefore responsible for the actions of the women and children. the problem comes in when there is not man present in the family, then the woman has no choice but to take charge. This is also the case when you have stupid lazy men, the women have to take charge. it is more of an embarassment to the man because he hasnt stepped up to his responsibility. Take a look at Adam and Eve, Eve ate the fruit first but it wasnt a problem until Adam ate of the fruit. I honestly believe that if Adam had not eaten of the fruit then Eve would have most likely gotten a slap on the wrist in comparrison to what we all face now because Man is the responsible party. This does not take away from the womans possition in God they are equal but seperate rolls. As for in the position of the Pastor, deacon, or teacher, I see no problem with women being in these positions so long as a man is in the head position of responsibility. I come to these conclusion by taking into consideration the positions of women as represented in the disciples of Christ as well as the deaconess and prophetess positions. Look back at Rahab the position of prominance placed upon a harlot who was faithful. Ruth and Ester and the promonant positions. The Mary's, Martha, the woman who washed the feet of Christ. Mary the mother of Christ was elevated to a blessed position as well as her dear cousin Elizabeth. Mariam the sister of Aaron and Moses was a Prophetess. We must take these things into account before we make a judgement call.

All sides make very good points, but we cannot reject any part of scripture to appease anyone sensibilities but we can interprite the scriptures with the scriptures as well as the context and come to a legitimate scriptural conclusion.
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Old 01-08-2009, 05:08 PM
 
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OK the whole thing about women teaching men is not really the problem. The specific Church of that time just as Church today, had a problem with men being lazy and women picking up their slack. Paul was simply pointing out that the men are ordained by God to be the head of the family and that the women were to be under the man, not subservient but as in responsibility. Men are the ministers of the family and therefore responsible for the actions of the women and children. the problem comes in when there is not man present in the family, then the woman has no choice but to take charge. This is also the case when you have stupid lazy men, the women have to take charge. it is more of an embarassment to the man because he hasnt stepped up to his responsibility. Take a look at Adam and Eve, Eve ate the fruit first but it wasnt a problem until Adam ate of the fruit. I honestly believe that if Adam had not eaten of the fruit then Eve would have most likely gotten a slap on the wrist in comparrison to what we all face now because Man is the responsible party. This does not take away from the womans possition in God they are equal but seperate rolls. As for in the position of the Pastor, deacon, or teacher, I see no problem with women being in these positions so long as a man is in the head position of responsibility. I come to these conclusion by taking into consideration the positions of women as represented in the disciples of Christ as well as the deaconess and prophetess positions. Look back at Rahab the position of prominance placed upon a harlot who was faithful. Ruth and Ester and the promonant positions. The Mary's, Martha, the woman who washed the feet of Christ. Mary the mother of Christ was elevated to a blessed position as well as her dear cousin Elizabeth. Mariam the sister of Aaron and Moses was a Prophetess. We must take these things into account before we make a judgement call.

All sides make very good points, but we cannot reject any part of scripture to appease anyone sensibilities but we can interprite the scriptures with the scriptures as well as the context and come to a legitimate scriptural conclusion.



What precisely was "the fruit", and who "knew" about it first???????

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