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Old 01-09-2009, 03:09 PM
 
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I'll pass. I've read a lot of it, but I'm not into book-worship, as are the funamentailsts/extremists. I don't take it all literally either.

As any religion moves more toward literalism/fundamentalism, it moves toward intolerance and extremism. I don't find that healthy.
Seriously, are you a Christian? and if you are, do you not read your bible everyday?
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Old 01-09-2009, 03:43 PM
 
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Seriously, are you a Christian? and if you are, do you not read your bible everyday?
You really have a hard time restraining your desire to define who is and is not a Christian, don't you Fundy? A strong case could be made (and I have elsewhere) that those who read and interpret scripture literally and unthinkingly follow it as ORDERS . . . without referring to their knowledge and understanding of what Jesus was actually like and the clear example he gave us of how to treat others (and asking WWJD) . . . are not being very christ-like.
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Old 01-09-2009, 03:46 PM
 
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You really have a hard time restraining your desire to define who is and is not a Christian, don't you Fundy? A strong case could be made (and I have elsewhere) that those who read and interpret scripture literally and unthinkingly follow it as ORDERS . . . without referring to their knowledge and understanding of what Jesus was actually like and the clear example he gave us of how to treat others (and asking WWJD) . . . are not being very christ-like.

Seriously, are you a Christian? and if you are, do you not read your bible everyday?


From that statement, I said no such thing.
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Old 01-09-2009, 03:59 PM
 
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Seriously, are you a Christian? and if you are, do you not read your bible everyday?


From that statement, I said no such thing.
My mistake, then . . . you did SEEM to be questioning his/her Christianity.Sorry.
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Old 01-09-2009, 05:10 PM
 
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You really have a hard time restraining your desire to define who is and is not a Christian, don't you Fundy? A strong case could be made (and I have elsewhere) that those who read and interpret scripture literally and unthinkingly follow it as ORDERS . . . without referring to their knowledge and understanding of what Jesus was actually like and the clear example he gave us of how to treat others (and asking WWJD) . . . are not being very christ-like.
Not meaning to start a fight, but in your opinion hat was Jesus like?
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Old 01-10-2009, 10:36 AM
 
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There have been a host of false male preachers, Ted Haggard, Jimmy Swaggart, etc come to mind.
Although there are passages about God being the head of man, and man being the head of woman, I don't think the Bible expressly forbids women to teach.
There are some women in the church who are more 'true to Jesus' than some of the men, so I don't have a problem with women teaching, as long as they are true to the Gospel.
However, a homosexual pastor though is something I would have a problem with.
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Old 01-10-2009, 12:26 PM
 
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There have been a host of false male preachers, Ted Haggard, Jimmy Swaggart, etc come to mind.
Although there are passages about God being the head of man, and man being the head of woman, I don't think the Bible expressly forbids women to teach.
There are some women in the church who are more 'true to Jesus' than some of the men, so I don't have a problem with women teaching, as long as they are true to the Gospel.
However, a homosexual pastor though is something I would have a problem with.
Yes it does and you are right that there are many men who should not be preachers. It doesn't matter what you and I have a problem with. The question remains is it biblical?
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Old 01-10-2009, 12:30 PM
 
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Yes it does and you are right that there are many men who should not be preachers. It doesn't matter what you and I have a problem with. The question remains is it biblical?
No . . . the question is do you know what is and is not biblical and on what basis (historical, canonical, symbolic or rational)?
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Old 01-10-2009, 12:37 PM
 
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No . . . the question is do you know what is and is not biblical and on what basis (historical, canonical, symbolic or rational)?
Yes I remember that verse.....

It is absolutely amazing and mystical how you can translate the parts of the bible you like but then all of a sudden the parts of the bible you don't like becomes a shroud of mystery and darkness.

1. Pray and ask the Holy Spirit to give you understanding. (John 16:13) "13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come."

2. Do not pull a Scripture out of the verses that surround it and assume that the meaning of the verse is not reliant on the surrounding verses. You should always read the surrounding verses and chapters, and be familiar with the purpose of the book. (2 Timothy 3:16) "16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,"

3. Do not attempt to be totally independent in your studying of the Bible. It is arrogance to think that you cannot gain understanding through the lifelong work of others who have studied Scripture. Some people, in error, approach the Bible with the idea that they will depend on the Holy Spirit alone and they will discover all the hidden truths of Scripture. (1 Corinthians 12:28) "28 And in the church God has appointed first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, also those having gifts of healing, those able to help others, those with gifts of administration, and those speaking in different kinds of tongues. "

4. Buy some good, conservative, reliable commenteries and Bible resource books to help you in your own study of the God's Word.

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Old 01-12-2009, 08:43 PM
 
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Yes it does and you are right that there are many men who should not be preachers. It doesn't matter what you and I have a problem with. The question remains is it biblical?
A Godly 'teacher', whatever sex, should focus your attention on Jesus Christ, and the Word of God. Many pastors talk about themselves, their issues, their this and that - fine, but when you hear a sermon, your eyes should be on the Word of God and Jesus. I don't know how many times I have heard a sermon where the pastor is pointing his eyes on himself. I would rather listen to a woman teaching correctly than a man teaching incorrectly, so ideally it is a man teaching, but this is my opinion.
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