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Old 01-14-2009, 02:02 PM
 
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I believe Firstborn knows the scriptures, little elmer . . . what he is referring to is the second requirement . . . the power of God which is in his heart by way of the holy spirit from Jesus . . . not the rote reading of scriptures.
(I was giving Firstborn the .)
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Old 01-14-2009, 02:43 PM
 
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(I was giving Firstborn the .)
Senior moment . . .
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Old 01-14-2009, 04:03 PM
 
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I think I understand what Fundy is trying to get across, and I believe he is in complete agreement with all who believe that the wicked will not be saved if they are still wicked at the time of judgement. I am one of the ones who believes that.
I do not believe that all will eventually be saved...period! It is totally contrary to the scriptures.
Just because God would like to see all saved, does not mean He is saying they will be, in fact He says just the opposite....time and time again.
Only the obedient will be saved. And all who truely love the Lord will be obedient.
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Old 01-14-2009, 04:35 PM
 
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I do not believe that all will eventually be saved...period! It is totally contrary to the scriptures.
Some scriptures, but not these:

Eph 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him.

Rom 8:21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

Rom 5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

1 Cor 15:22-23 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man is his own order.

Rom 14:9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.

1 Tim 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

1 Tim 2:3-6 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Rom 11:32 God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.



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Just because God would like to see all saved, does not mean He is saying they will be, in fact He says just the opposite....time and time again.
Only the obedient will be saved. And all who truely love the Lord will be obedient.
Scripture offers an apparent contradiction, but there is a revealing of firstfruits according to His purpose - to be revealed in due time.

The grave has lost its power.
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Old 01-14-2009, 05:03 PM
 
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Okay, Little Elmer, and if Eve and Adam ate the forbidden fruit they would not surely die either! and if Jesus had thrown Himself off the pinnicle of the temple, He would not have been tempting the Lord our God, and if He had fell down and worshipped Satan, He would have recieved all the kingdoms of the world and their glory!!!!!
Isn't it strange how Satan is still telling lies! Christ did not believe him, but Eve did. Look where it got us.

Now he is saying, "Do as you please, all are going to be saved anyway". He is saying, " You do not need to obey the gospel", and millions are believing him!
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Old 01-14-2009, 05:09 PM
 
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I do not believe that all will eventually be saved...period! It is totally contrary to the scriptures.
Just because God would like to see all saved, does not mean He is saying they will be, in fact He says just the opposite....time and time again.
Only the obedient will be saved. And all who truely love the Lord will be obedient.
Hi, God is to subject all to Himself so that He may be all in all according to 1 Cor. 15. This tells me that God has a goal in mind and that He is working to accomplish this goal. If He desires to have His way with His own creation, I believe that He will bring this about in His own time. Whatever His good pleasure is, He will accomplish this. All belong to Him, whether they accept Him now or not. I believe that He will turn His enemies into His friends, that He will convince all of their sinfulness of their need for a Savior, that He will reign in all hearts, and that He will deliver all of creation. It is the work of His hands. I believe that these are some scriptures which teach the eventual restoration of all to God.


Psalms 22:
27. All the ends of the earth will remember and turn to the LORD,
And all the families of the nations will worship before You.
28. For the kingdom is the LORD'S
And He rules over the nations.
29. All the prosperous of the earth will eat and worship,
All those who go down to the dust will bow before Him,
Even he who cannot keep his soul alive



Psalms 66
4. "All the earth will worship You,
And will sing praises to You;
They will sing praises to Your name." Selah

Psalms 68:18
You have ascended on high, You have led captive Your captives;
You have received gifts among men,
Even among the rebellious also, that the LORD God may dwell there


Isaiah 25:6-8
The LORD of hosts will prepare a lavish banquet for all peoples on this mountain;
A banquet of aged wine, choice pieces with marrow,
And refined, aged wine.
7. And on this mountain He will swallow up the covering which is over all peoples,
Even the veil which is stretched over all nations.
8. He will swallow up death for all time,
And the Lord GOD will wipe tears away from all faces,
And He will remove the reproach of His people from all the earth;
For the LORD has spoken.


Isaiah 45:22-25
"Turn to Me and be saved, all the ends of the earth;
For I am God, and there is no other.
23. "I have sworn by Myself,
The word has gone forth from My mouth in righteousness
And will not turn back,
That to Me every knee will bow, every tongue will swear allegiance.
24. "They will say of Me, `Only in the LORD are righteousness and strength.'
Men will come to Him,
And all who were angry at Him will be put to shame.
25. "In the LORD all the offspring of Israel
Will be justified and will glory."

Zephaniah 3
8 "Therefore wait for Me," declares the LORD,
"For the day when I rise up as a witness.
Indeed, My decision is to gather nations,
To assemble kingdoms,
To pour out on them My indignation,
All My burning anger;
For all the earth will be devoured
By the fire of My zeal.
9. "For then I will give to the peoples purified lips,
That all of them may call on the name of the LORD,
To serve Him shoulder to shoulder


John 1:1-9
1. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.2. He was in the beginning with God.3. All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.4. In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men.5. The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.6. There came a man sent from God, whose name was John.7. He came as a witness, to testify about the Light, so that all might believe through him.8. He was not the Light, but he came to testify about the Light.9. There was the true Light which, coming into the world, enlightens every man.



John 12:27-32
27. "Now My soul has become troubled; and what shall I say, `Father, save Me from this hour'? But for this purpose I came to this hour.28. "Father, glorify Your name." Then a voice came out of heaven: "I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again."29. So the crowd of people who stood by and heard it were saying that it had thundered; others were saying, "An angel has spoken to Him."30. Jesus answered and said, "This voice has not come for My sake, but for your sakes.31. "Now judgment is upon this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out.32. "And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself."


Romans 8:18-22
18. For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory that is to be revealed to us.19. For the anxious longing of the creation waits eagerly for the revealing of the sons of God.20. For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope21. that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God.22. For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now.


1 Corinthians 15:16-28
16. For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised;17. and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins.18. Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished.19. If we have hoped in Christ in this life only, we are of all men most to be pitied.20. But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who are asleep.21. For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead.22. For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.23. But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ's at His coming,24. then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power.25. For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet.26. The last enemy that will be abolished is death.27. For He has put all things in subjection under His feet. But when He says, "All things are put in subjection," it is evident that He is excepted who put all things in subjection to Him.28. When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, so that God may be all in all.

Colossians 1:15-20
15. He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.16. For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities--all things have been created through Him and for Him.17. He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.18. He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything.19. For it was the Father's good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him,20. and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven.

Ephesians 1: 5-10
"He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will, to the praise of the glory of His grace which He freely bestowed on us in the Beloved. In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace, which He lavished upon us. In all wisdom and insight He made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His kind intention which He purposed in Him with a view to an administration suitable to the fulness of the times, that is the summing up of all things in Christ, things in the heavens, and things upon the earth."

John 4:14
"And we have beheld and bear witness that the Father has sent the Son to be the Savior of the world."


Jesus was sent on a mission to be the Savior of the world, not just of some. God bless.

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Old 01-14-2009, 06:03 PM
 
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Very well...go ahead and preach your " everyone will eventually be saved" and lead a multitude astray. Thank God I will not have to answer for you all....
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Old 01-14-2009, 06:05 PM
 
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Hi, I am not preaching, Marianinark. I am sharing my faith just like other Christians. God bless you.
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Old 01-14-2009, 10:08 PM
 
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Hi, I am not preaching, Marianinark. I am sharing my faith just like other Christians. God bless you.
Yes you are only sharing your faith shana.... unfortunately some only want their views heard. Thank God we live in a free country. God bless you. I`m glad you are here.
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Old 01-15-2009, 05:33 AM
 
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Very well...go ahead and preach your " everyone will eventually be saved" and lead a multitude astray. Thank God I will not have to answer for you all....
I have already stated that no universalist I know tells people that they're getting a free ride - in fact, what I believe is that THE CHURCH will be disciplined much harsher than what the rapture "crowd" believes.

The pride is not found among the broken, but among those who say they are whole.
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