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Old 01-15-2009, 12:50 AM
 
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There were no humans in the Americas when the native peoples first arrived, so the had no one to conquer. They were slaughtered by the thousands by Europeans...Mostly Christians.
No you did'nt get the point he was making. Let's look at it again: "We can defend ourselves"

How dare those Indigenus people of the Americas come to Europe in their canoes and attack without provocation the innocents Christendom.

Later on, the Zulus, Watutsis, Hutus, Tutsis, Bantu, Massai, etc of Africa also wanted to take over Europe and landed their canoes on the shores of Spain, France and Great Britain in their quest for world supremacy and domination.

And the audacity of those backward heathen tribes in all those regions of the world who dared occupy those Church ordained promised countries, rich with natural resources, given to Europeans before the Europeans had a chance to occupy them.

Somehow though I believe those Europeans were worshipping a different type of god.


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Old 01-15-2009, 12:57 AM
 
Location: southern california
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No you did'nt get the point he was making. Let's look at it again: "We can defend ourselves"

How dare those Indigenus people of the Americas come to Europe in their canoes and attack without provocation the innocents Christendom.

Later on, the Zulus, Watutsis, Hutus, Tutsis, Bantu, Massai, etc of Africa also wanted to take over Europe and landed their canoes on the shores of Spain, France and Great Britain in their quest for world supremacy and domination.

And the audacity of those backward heathen tribes in all those regions of the world who dared occupy those Church ordained promised countries, rich with natural resources, given to Europeans before the Europeans had a chance to occupy them.
north africa and mid east have in fact invaded europe. europe has changed since 1977 drastically. they did not use canoe, they used jumbo jets.
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Old 01-15-2009, 01:01 AM
 
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north africa and mid east have in fact invaded europe. europe has changed since 1977 drastically. they did not use canoe, they used jumbo jets.
Looks like they're safe though, since Christendom is all but dead in Europe now.
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Old 01-15-2009, 07:32 AM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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The OP: "Where is torture in the Bible"

I am being on topic here; Is there a Bible passage that discusses torture, that anyone is aware of?

Any bible passage?

Anyone?

Are there any bible passages on this topic?
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Old 01-15-2009, 10:18 AM
 
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The OP: "Where is torture in the Bible"

I am being on topic here; Is there a Bible passage that discusses torture, that anyone is aware of?

Any bible passage?

Anyone?

Are there any bible passages on this topic?
First off, if you look at both camps in this forum (Atheist/Religious), there are posters who start threads for no other purpose than Shock&Awe Controversy. Just consider the sourse before posting a reply and expect the most outrageous response.
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Old 01-15-2009, 10:41 AM
 
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First off, if you look at both camps in this forum (Atheist/Religious), there are posters who start threads for no other purpose than Shock&Awe Controversy. Just consider the sourse before posting a reply and expect the most outrageous response.
There is no shock and awe, a legitimate question that I heard on the news and this minister had no clue what he was talking about because scripture does not support him from what I could see. Does the bible prohibit a government's use of torture?
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Old 01-15-2009, 12:54 PM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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There is no shock and awe, a legitimate question that I heard on the news and this minister had no clue what he was talking about because scripture does not support him from what I could see. Does the bible prohibit a government's use of torture?
Lots of emotion has been posted in this thread.

I am not aware of any Bible passage that would prohibit the use a 'torture'.

During Bible times many armies were very cruel to their prisoners and slaves.

The Bible purposefully hands out guidelines of how we should treat our prisoners and our slaves.

The Bible requires that once they are our slaves we should treat them in a required manner.

Certainly if the Author of the Bible had desired to prohibit torture, then the Author would have included such.

The Author of the bible included hundreds to reminders to not worship multiple gods.

Laws about how to treat each of our wives, laws about many things. So if this had been a prohibition, it would be written.
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Old 01-15-2009, 07:34 PM
 
Location: Gaston, North Carolina
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The only things I can think of are;

Do unto others..

Love your enemy...

An eye for and eye...

Do not repay evil for evil...

The problem is that most of these are refering to fellow believers and not non believers, so is there anything concerning the handling of non believers?
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Old 01-15-2009, 08:19 PM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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The only things I can think of are;

Do unto others..

Love your enemy...

An eye for and eye...

Do not repay evil for evil...

The problem is that most of these are refering to fellow believers and not non believers, so is there anything concerning the handling of non believers?
And yet this is all set within a greater context.

A context which allows: killing, marital rape, child marriage, slaves and of course war.
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Old 01-16-2009, 12:19 AM
 
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There is no shock and awe, a legitimate question that I heard on the news and this minister had no clue what he was talking about because scripture does not support him from what I could see. Does the bible prohibit a government's use of torture?
There is no Christian government anywhere and for that matter, governments are allowed to do as they please until God brings them down at Har-Meggedon. So the real question should be: "Why has Christendom found it necessary to use torture in the past and justify it?"

The Christian obligation is to keep their big noses out of government and keep separate and distinct from the world. Unfortnately the Bible also shows a luxuriously dressed religious prostitute riding the back of government seeking special favours in return fornication provided by her for those favours. Any religion who claims to be in the marriage convenant with God commits adultery when she goes to bed with politicians. The centuries of this Religious/Political bed fellows relationship has now brought us into the wonderful world we all live in today.
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